Palestinian Christians Refuse To Be Pushed Off Their Land

[Sava]

Eat **** and die, you sanctimonious turd.

No. You indeed are a racist bag of shit.

[AAAAAAAAH!]

Wow. An apartheid apologist. You don't see them anymore.

Welcome to the internet.

[C0ckney]

i think apartheid apologists are very rare on the internet, well unless we're talking about stormfront or similar sites.

[Dr Strangelove]

I remember when I was a kid an exchange student from South Africa told my brother that the region that was the Cape Colony was unsettled by Africans when the Dutch arrived but the kindly Dutch allowed them to work in the Cape Colony. That was in 1966. I was shocked that my older brother fell for that malarky, it took me ages to talk some sense back into him.

[Ben Kenobi]

That's true. That's also irrelevant to the situation as given.

If you take out the Negev, it's more than half of Israel's land.

[The Mad Monk]

Are you implying that his ownership of the land cancels out Israel's jurisdiction? Because that's like saying my ownership of my house cancels out the United States' jurisdiction.

[Ben Kenobi]

Are you implying that his ownership of the land cancels out Israel's jurisdiction? Because that's like saying my ownership of my house cancels out the United States' jurisdiction.

I'm arguing that the land owner does not recognize Israel's authority.

[kentonio]

I wouldn't recognize my countries authority to just steal my property either.

[DinoDoc]

I wouldn't recognize my countries authority to just steal my property either.

Mr. Bundy? Is that you?

[Al B. Sure!]

[ZEE]

AlBert SPeer you have gone too far. You rePresent the United States Marines and time and time again you have Been acKting out of cKaracKter for an officer. I DEMAND that you go through this thrade and edit all your Poasts. Do you understand me AlBert? I am so angry at you right now I cKan Barely tyPe this Poast.

Time to man up to your resPonsiBilities soldier! Do the right thing AlBert. Start editing...

NOW.

[DinoDoc]

Do you really get to call out anyone for being racist, Albert Speer?

[Al B. Sure!]

I was 14 years old when I used the handle.

[AAAAAAAAH!]

Thanks to the internet you will forever be judged for the stupid beliefs you held when you were 14.

[Felch]

I'm arguing that the land owner does not recognize Israel's authority.

When they were informed, after 10 years in the military courts, that their Palestinian lawyer was not eligible to contest the case in Israel's supreme court - because he carried West Bank identity papers - they found an Israeli firm willing to take it on. When they were told to provide a land survey, they hired (at a cost of $70,000) an Israeli surveyor, and sent him to consult maps and documents in the imperial archives of London and Istanbul. When they were asked to bring witnesses in support of their claim to have farmed the land for three generations, they hired a bus to take more than 30 Palestinian villagers to the military court near Ramallah. "We had to wait five hours outside the court under the sun," remembers Amal Nassar. "And then, after five hours, a soldier come out, they say, 'We don't want witnesses, go home.'

"Every time they see you are ready to meet their demands, they ask [for something] more and more difficult, [so] that you say 'I am fed up, I cannot.' Yes, this [is] always the process. We know it. It's a game to push us to leave."

You're wrong, they do recognize Israel's authority, and they have tried to deal with the matter for years through the courts. The issue though is whether Israel is behaving appropriately. Judging by the Church's teachings, they are not.

Authority does not derive its moral legitimacy from itself. It must not behave in a despotic manner, but must act for the common good as a "moral force based on freedom and a sense of responsibility"

A human law has the character of law to the extent that it accords with right reason, and thus derives from the eternal law. Insofar as it falls short of right reason it is said to be an unjust law, and thus has not so much the nature of law as of a kind of violence.

Authority is exercised legitimately only when it seeks the common good of the group concerned and if it employs morally licit means to attain it. If rulers were to enact unjust laws or take measures contrary to the moral order, such arrangements would not be binding in conscience. In such a case, "authority breaks down completely and results in shameful abuse."