Supreme Court rules in favor of public legislative prayers

[Kidlicious]

Lots of people believe in "Nature's God" but aren't Christians. For example, Thomas Jefferson was a Deist. The author of the Declaration of Independence thought Christianity was superstitious nonsense and yet you're still quoting him to support the notion that the US is a "Christian nation".

He believed Iin christian morality. Don't think for one second that he was anything like you godless liberals.

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He believed Iin christian morality. Don't think for one second that he was anything like you godless liberals.

Nothing more Christian than banging your slave

[Ben Kenobi]

Lots of people believe in "Nature's God" but aren't Christians. For example, Thomas Jefferson was a Deist. The author of the Declaration of Independence thought Christianity was superstitious nonsense and yet you're still quoting him to support the notion that the US is a "Christian nation".

I'm still not quite sure how it's the Christian God in the pledge and not the Christian God in the preamble.

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I'm still not quite sure how it's the Christian God in the pledge and not the Christian God in the preamble.

In the preamble it's "Nature's God", generally a phrase used by deists, and is written by a deist. In the pledge it just says "God", and was added by Christians, eventually officially endorsed by the federal government in the 1950s.

[Berzerker]

Nobody is trying to start a fight, I'm just inviting you to add something substantive to the discussion. So fuck you, and fuck your lies.

Felch you, too

Truth be told, I can't stand libertarians. I just wanted to do drugs and shoot guns. So yeah, that never worked out.

The conservatives would put you in a cage for a very long time if they catch you doin that, not the libertarians.

Given that it mentions God twice, and natural law once? I'm not sure how you can justify stripping God out of the Pledge if it's right there in the preamble.

You didn't answer the question again, where does it say we're a Christian nation? And I justify it based on the 1st Amendment, no laws respecting an establishment of religion. The Declaration of independence is not a pledge of allegiance for children to recite every day and doesn't mention Christianity.

[Kidlicious]

That's what "under God" means. It's in the Pledge.

[Buster Crabbe's Uncle]

No, "Under God" means that you're his girlfriend.

God likes redheads.

[Kidlicious]

Actually that was added by Congress at the request of President Ike.

[Felch]

The things I say are even more entertaining when they're selectively edited. Berz

[Buster Crabbe's Uncle]

Actually that was added by Congress at the request of President Ike.

Also liked having redheads underneath.

[Kidlicious]

Also liked having redheads underneath.

Redheads are bad. M kay?

[Berzerker]

The things I say are even more entertaining when they're selectively edited. Berz

certainly wasn't nefarious, just thought the call for civility was amusing...would you like me to edit in the irrelevant stuff?

[Felch]

No, I liked it.

[Ben Kenobi]

In the preamble it's "Nature's God", generally a phrase used by deists, and is written by a deist. In the pledge it just says "God", and was added by Christians, eventually officially endorsed by the federal government in the 1950s.

And Christians tend to use Creator.

Again, if you're going to be removing references to religion, why is "Creator" in the preamble ok, but "God" in the pledge is not? If mentioning God is sufficient to 'establish a religion', than the simple mention of God is sufficient in the preamble to fail the exact same criterion.

It makes more sense to me to say that America is just fine thank you very much with public references to God, and that this peculiar American tradition began right at the start.

[Ben Kenobi]

And I justify it based on the 1st Amendment

If the pledge fails the establishment clause for mentioning God - why doesn't the preamble also fail?

where does it say we're a Christian nation?

In the same place it credits the Creator as the source for natural rights. Where do you think the whole edifice comes from? It comes from Aquinas. And last I checked most Christians consider Aquinas to be one of theirs.

The Declaration of independence is not a pledge of allegiance for children to recite every day

Are you seriously arguing that the Pledge is more important than the preamble?

I'm sorry Berz, if the preamble is fine with honoring God and his blessings on America than the pledge is also fine.