Roman Catholic Church lowers its standards

[Ming]

Always trying to shift the blame... throw some smoke out there...

Still ignoring how the church treated it's flock in an effort to save it's own image.
Jesus would be shocked that the institution that followed him could act in such a manner.

[Ben Kenobi]

Would you like to explain why you have a particular urge to concentrate on homosexual child abusing priests

I might ask you the same question! Is it a fetish or something? I'm not sure they get the Minneapolis Star Tribune in London. Are you a subscriber?

[Buster Crabbe's Uncle]

I think you're definitely right, ken. I prefer not to rile it up and take its abuse, and wish you would report and not feed, but I want you to know I agree.

[Ben Kenobi]

Jesus would be shocked that the institution that followed him could act in such a manner.

Cool! What else did Jesus tell you, Ming?

[Ming]

So, you think Jesus would approve of how the RCC has handled this.

[Ben Kenobi]

So, you think Jesus would approve of how the RCC has handled this.

You tell me, Ming. You're his prophet and you claim he speaks to you.

[Pax]

I'm not your enemy Pax. Making me the enemy is counterproductive to your goals. Attacking all Catholics is absolutely ineffectual because it discourages folks from trying to keep things clean. This is what I am trying to get across to Ming and to rah to understand. Everytime they blame 'the Catholic church', that gives cover to the actual abusers.

Agreed, making enemies is counterproductive, so hand over those files.

[Pax]

I gave you my answer, Pax. If it were my child I would feel like I had totally failed in protecting them. You're a parent. Tell me straight to my eye that you wouldn't blame yourself.

I am always responsible for my childs wellbeing. There are two kinds of guilt I could feel 1. The general guilt when anything happens even if you could not prevent it or had no knowledge that would have helped you prevent your child from coming to harm and 2. The guilt you feel when you are actually guilty. When you had knowledge or the power to prevent your child from coming to harm. Example: At this moment, I feel that sending my son to Catholic church or School could put him in harms way so I would not do it.
My question is after the event had occurred and you have your guilt. Would you accept that the offending party was removed from office or would you want him to be held accountable in a court of law?

[Ben Kenobi]

making enemies is counterproductive, so hand over those files.

What files?

[Pax]

What files?

Wow..The ones the Catholic church has on clergy child molestation.

[Ben Kenobi]

I am always responsible for my childs wellbeing.

Then you'll understand my answer.

At this moment, I feel that sending my son to Catholic church or School could put him in harms way so I would not do it.

Ok. At this moment I believe that if I had a son, that sending my son to Catholic school would not be putting him in harms way whatsoever. As I said, I trust my coworkers. I consider them to be Saints, and I trust my boss even more. She's an absolutely wonderful lady. She's the best boss I have ever had.

I'm a convert, Pax. Do you really believe that if I didn't trust the Catholic church, that I would convert over to the Catholic church and then choose to work for them? I don't have to work for them, Pax. I didn't have to come over. I was a protestant.

Everything that you have in front of you is information that I saw before I came over. I've considered it. On the protestant side when I had exactly zero reason to cover for the Catholic church.

Now, a reasonable person would look at this and ask, "why would he convert?" Because he trusts the Catholic church. With his soul. Now, you can go from this and ask, "why would someone choose to do this, or you can go and say, "I think you're a stupid person".

My patience and my answer to you, depends on which answer you respond here. It's your choice, Pax.

Would you accept that the offending party was removed from office or would you want him to be held accountable in a court of law?

I have given you my answer already. Now you can either choose to accept it or not choose to accept it. It's up to your Pax. If you find the answer unsatisfactory, then you should be looking at yourself and asking, "why is this answer insufficient to me?" "What am I trying to prove here."

I do not believe you have my best interest at hand, Pax.

[Ben Kenobi]

Wow..The ones the Catholic church has on clergy child molestation.

You have a warrant and probable cause to suspect they exist?

[Pax]

You have a warrant and probable cause to suspect they exist?

Circular argument. We have been here several times. You keep going back to the same line. I like it because it shows you have no point.

[Felch]

The Church keeps records on everything, and has had rules for investigating these cases for over 25 years. If you support the cover up, you're an enemy of the faith.

[Ben Kenobi]

Circular argument. We have been here several times. You keep going back to the same line. I like it because it shows you have no point.

It took Felch all of 15 seconds to answer my question. Thanks Felch.