Roman Catholic Church lowers its standards

[molly bloom]

Molly:

At least I can say I've never lived in a country that executed all the priests just because their King wanted to ditch his faithful wife.

Neither have I.

Which country would that be in your fevered imagination, then ?

[Ben Kenobi]

Ben there are quite a few Christians on this site that I have no problem with. I have a problem with you because you're not a good Christian.

Let's cut to the chase, rah.

Do you believe that one can be a good Catholic and support gay marriage?

[molly bloom]

And, unlike how you may believe - I'm not on the lower end of the teachers there.

Oh Sister Bendy, it must be true- we have your word for it.


And we all know how much that isn't worth.

[molly bloom]

Geesh. I'm trolling Molly.

I thought you were just getting history wrong again. You know, the way you did before.

Want me to resurrect those threads so people can have a good laugh (again) ?

[Sava]

Ben there are quite a few Christians on this site that I have no problem with. I have a problem with you because you're not a good Christian.

I'm a catholic, my wife is catholic and my daughter is catholic, so the fact that you're catholic isn't the issue, it's that you're such a lousy human being here.
You claim you are IRL but lord knows we don't see that here. So we have nothing else to judge you by.

Google him. He's as terrible a person IRL as he is here.

[Ben Kenobi]

Google him. He's as terrible a person IRL as he is here.

Yes, nothing creepy about that!

[Ben Kenobi]

history wrong again.

Which is why Catholics had to be emancipated? I'm not seeing the UK as a haven for religious freedoms. Quite the opposite in fact. They had to be told that oppressing Catholics was wrong. In the 19th century!

[rah]

Do you believe that one can be a good Catholic and support gay marriage?

I'm a catholic and I support gay marriage. I don't believe the catholic church should be forced to administer gay marriages but the law isn't saying they should. What's recognized as marriage outside of the church is no concern of the church in my opinion.

AND one more time, you have no standing to JUDGE on how good of a catholic I am. That is for God to judge, not a douche like you. You keep trying to infer that I'm not a catholic. I've been a Catholic since I was baptized. The church takes my money and let's me participate. I've been a Catholic for almost 60 years and some piss ant who just decided to convert later in life shouldn't be making any claims that they're a real Catholic and I'm not. And you wonder why people think you're a douche. If anything I don't consider you a real catholic. I know I shouldn't judge but you're such a douche that it's hard not to. I'll have to confess that.

And if the church kicked out every catholic that supports gay marriages outside the church or uses unapproved birth control, there wouldn't be many church members left in the US.

[Imran Siddiqui]

I think that Catholics actually support gay marriage in far higher numbers than evangelicals who support gay marriage. FWIW

[Sava]

Being a good Christian (and Catholic) depends upon believing in gay marriage.

[Ben Kenobi]

I'm a catholic and I support gay marriage.

And you believe you're a good Catholic, rah?

I don't believe the catholic church should be forced to administer gay marriages but the law isn't saying they should.

What happened when the Catholic church told Henry VIII that he couldn't divorce? He threw a giant hissy fit and made his own church and started executing Catholic priests. By the time Elizabeth finished off the job the entire Catholic hierarchy in England was gone. It wasn't restored for another 250 years.

What do you think is going to happen to the Catholic church when they tell the government, no? It didn't end well for the Catholic church then, and it won't end well now.

What's recognized as marriage outside of the church is no concern of the church in my opinion.

"Am I my brother's keeper?"

AND one more time, you have no standing to JUDGE on how good of a catholic I am.

And you are a judge of me?

You keep trying to infer that I'm not a catholic.

I think Catholics should obey the magisterium and the Catechism. I'm a radical.

And if the church kicked out every catholic that supports gay marriages outside the church or uses unapproved birth control, there wouldn't be many church members left in the US.

"Narrow is the road to life and few find it."

[Imran Siddiqui]

Being a good Christian (and Catholic) depends upon believing in gay marriage.

I'd argue in favor of that.

[rah]

And you believe you're a good Catholic, rah?

Yes, better than you based oh how you post here.
And the rest of your questions are, as always, just a diversion so I refuse to waste me time answering.

I even said that it's wrong for me to judge you. But since you keep acting like a douche about it I have sinned and even said it will be confessed.

WHAT's your excuse since you seen to have no problem judging everyone else on this site? Douche.
You seem to think it's your duty.

[Ben Kenobi]

Yes, better than you based oh how you post here.

So here's my conundrum, Rah.

My parish director, my boss, my confessor and the board of directors all say one thing. They say that gay marriage is wrong and contrary to the Catholic church.

You say otherwise.

I go to the catechism, and it says that homosexual desires are intrinsically disordered, that homosexual acts they are sinful and contrary to God's design for sex.

You say otherwise.

Who should I follow, you or the catechism?

WHAT's your excuse since you seen to have no problem judging everyone else on this site? Douche.

Where have I judged you? All I have stated is that Catholics should follow what the catechism teaches.

You seem to think it's your duty.

I'm a catechist. It is my duty to teach the catechism to Catholics like yourself.

[rah]

Who should I follow, you or the catechism?

You can follow whatever you like. Just don't tell me not to follow what I think Jesus would want me to do.
And no, I didn't talk with Jesus, but neither have you so we can each have our own opinions on it.

And I don't care that you're a catechist, you're coming across more like a creepy watchtower type person.
I don't appreciate or want you to teach to me because you're everything the makes everyone hate the church.
So PLEASE don't bother.

And you definition of judge is much different then mine. When you keep saying I'm not a good catholic because I don't believe everything exactly as the church preaches, I consider that judging. Feel free to call it whatever you want.