When will the Catholic church just give in to secularism

[Imran Siddiqui]

Though render unto Caesar what is Caesar's comes with the caveat - render unto God what is God's. As everything under Creation is God's, things get a little sticky in determining what is rendered to what.

[MrFun]

I still don't get how a marriage between two people of same gender through a justice of peace, violates the Catholic Church's own position on marriage.

[Sava]

I still don't get how a marriage between two people of same gender through a justice of peace, violates the Catholic Church's own position on marriage.

because they are an institution built on hate, greed, corruption, and the arbitrary abuse of power

oh yeah, and raping little boys

vatican city should be sold off brick by brick with the proceeds going to victims of the church

[Robert]

Dutch Orthodox?

dafuq?

services are in old church Slavonic?

I did not intend an official church name, but just 'dutch' as in 'from the netherlands' and 'orthodox' as in 'trying to teach according to the scriptures' ;-)

Glad that I was able to make you puzzled though

[Robert]

Jesus has already given us the answer to this when he told us to render under Caesar what is Caesar's. Our secular governments have created a secular contract of marriage out of the religious sacrament of marriage. This secular contract is imbued with secular rights and obligations. The Christian way is to accept the couple as loving individuals and to leave secular questions to secular authorities.

It's an interesting approach! I'm going to think about that and see if I can incorporate it in my book! Thanks!

Still waiting of course for Ben's view!

[Sava]

I did not intend an official church name, but just 'dutch' as in 'from the netherlands' and 'orthodox' as in 'trying to teach according to the scriptures' ;-)

Glad that I was able to make you puzzled though

Haha

I'd be confused anyways

I was gonna throw some Orthodox knowledge at my mom the next time I talk with her. Hey ma, Dutch Orthodox!

"what?!?!?!? that's bull****" is what she'd say.

and then she demand a holy war on you guys and spit every time someone mentions your name

and the serbian mafia (little old ladies at church) would light lots of candles at church, praying for your demise

They are a little crazy.

[MrFun]

The Catholic teaching is that marriage is between one man and one woman. So in the view of the Catholic Church, the marriage doesn't exist.

I still don't see a conflict. Catholic Church does not have to marry two people of same gender under the law of equal marriage rights.

[Ben Kenobi]

Robert:

Apologies. Work has been busy, and I've been tied up in some personal stuff.

I have a female colleague, she's a lesbian, married with another woman. They have 3 children (2 given birth by one mother, 1 by the other mother).
The children are age 3, 5 and 7. This family (mother, mother, 3 children) have been living as a family for quite some time already.

Now my question to you is, what do you think that should happen with this gay marriage?

Well, I had a close friend of my mothers who had this exact living situation - where the children's mother and her were in a lesbian relationship for a long time. She had a house and no children of her own.

To make a long story short - they had been living together and neither one of them were really satisfied. I had a chance to look after her place and we had a long talk about it all. She asked me what I thought she should do. She didn't think giving up was fair to the kids or to her partner whom she had sacrificed quite a bit for to just move on.

Well, I told her, she wasn't happy as a lesbian. So why force it? Why live with something that you aren't happy with? I told her she'd be happier finding someone of her own - letting her partner go off and get back with the father of her kids. I told her that it wasn't a 100 percent break from the people that she cared about - moreover, it meant putting her needs and wants and desires first rather than carrying the load all the time. She wanted very badly to be looked after by someone and had never really had that all her life. She'd taken care of other people 24/7.

So, she did just that, her partner went back to the father of her kids, and they are a happy family again. The friend went on some travelling and decided to sell her place. She ended up finding a really nice guy and my mother had a wonderful time at her wedding.

Is it the christian way to split the family up into two parts, tear the brother and sisters from each other, and force them to continue as two single-mothers? Or do you believe that the christian way is to keep them together?

The Christian way is to find the third option so that everyone gets what they really want not what they think they deserve or what they think they can get.

[Ben Kenobi]

I still don't see a conflict. Catholic Church does not have to marry two people of same gender under the law of equal marriage rights.

Oh. So you believe that a priest has the right not to marry people that he doesn't want to marry?

I still don't get how a marriage between two people of same gender through a justice of peace, violates the Catholic Church's own position on marriage.

The fact that the Catholic church teaches that marriage is to be between one man and one woman? This isn't hard to figure out, Mr. Fun. Arguing 'this is about civil union only', is a lie, because that's what you said before. Then, lo and behold, you're now forcing gay marriage down the throats of states that do not want it.

[Kidlicious]

I can actually see gays trying to force priests to marry them in the future.

[Ben Kenobi]

I can actually see gays trying to force priests to marry them in the future.

They've been doing it for awhile now. Why do you think Fun's arguing, "oh, but we should be able to get our civil marriages blessed". They'll do exactly what they are doing to the Christian Baker. Try to get him arrested if he says no.

[Sava]

I wasn't out and about on Wednesday. I totally forgot it was the day catholics run around looking like Charles Manson.

Seriously. The whole ash thing is pretty creepy.

[molly bloom]

I doubt that post was worth reading.

It was Sister Bendy imagining what the first woman to experience his limp noodle says to him.

[molly bloom]

Well, I told her, she wasn't happy as a lesbian. So why force it?

Gosh, how utterly unpredictable.

[Robert]

Robert:

Apologies. Work has been busy, and I've been tied up in some personal stuff.



Well, I had a close friend of my mothers who had this exact living situation - where the children's mother and her were in a lesbian relationship for a long time. She had a house and no children of her own.

To make a long story short - they had been living together and neither one of them were really satisfied. I had a chance to look after her place and we had a long talk about it all. She asked me what I thought she should do. She didn't think giving up was fair to the kids or to her partner whom she had sacrificed quite a bit for to just move on.

Well, I told her, she wasn't happy as a lesbian. So why force it? Why live with something that you aren't happy with? I told her she'd be happier finding someone of her own - letting her partner go off and get back with the father of her kids. I told her that it wasn't a 100 percent break from the people that she cared about - moreover, it meant putting her needs and wants and desires first rather than carrying the load all the time. She wanted very badly to be looked after by someone and had never really had that all her life. She'd taken care of other people 24/7.

So, she did just that, her partner went back to the father of her kids, and they are a happy family again. The friend went on some travelling and decided to sell her place. She ended up finding a really nice guy and my mother had a wonderful time at her wedding.



The Christian way is to find the third option so that everyone gets what they really want not what they think they deserve or what they think they can get.

Thanks for your answer, however the situation you described isn't exactly the same.
I asked about a family where 2 kids were of mom 1 and the other kid was of mom 2.
Also they are very happy together.

So should they leave eachother if they want to become christians?
If you know a 3rd way, please let me know!