The Fate of Aborted Fetuses

[Ben Kenobi]

I note that only Catholics out of all Christian denominations have changed the "if you're not baptized and accept Jesus then you're going to hell" thing and they only did that in 2007.

From my previous citation:

However, in the Catechism of the Catholic Church (1992), the theory of limbo is not mentioned.

And again:

Limbo, understood as a state which includes the souls of infants who die subject to original sin and without baptism, and who, therefore, neither merit the beatific vision, nor yet are subjected to any punishment, because they are not guilty of any personal sin. This theory, elaborated by theologians beginning in the Middle Ages, never entered into the dogmatic definitions of the Magisterium, even if that same Magisterium did at times mention the theory in its ordinary teaching up until the Second Vatican Council. It remains therefore a possible theological hypothesis.

So, yeah, most Christian denomiations continue to say if you aren't baptized and you don't accept Jesus as your savior then you don't get into heaven.

I can continue at length on this topic - but it wasn't taught by the early church, limbo itself, was only taught in Aquina's time by the Scholastics, and even then, none of them taught that unbaptized children went to hell.

[Imran Siddiqui]

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/...opelimbo_N.htm

I note that only Catholics out of all Christian denominations have changed the "if you're not baptized and accept Jesus then you're going to hell" thing and they only did that in 2007. So, yeah, most Christian denomiations continue to say if you aren't baptized and you don't accept Jesus as your savior then you don't get into heaven.

Well that's silly. Plenty of denominations are rejecting the idea of an eternal torment Hell or that you don't have another shot.

[Ben Kenobi]

Plenty of denominations are rejecting the idea of an eternal torment Hell or that you don't have another shot.

Some were even Christian.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Obviously the Catholics can't be considered Christian with their works righteousness

[Ben Kenobi]

I'd be interested seeing your beliefnet score now, Imran. There's a reason why liberal protestants are further from the Church than conservative ones (90 percent vs about 30).

[Imran Siddiqui]

I'd be interested seeing your beliefnet score now, Imran. There's a reason why liberal protestants are further from the Church than conservative ones (90 percent vs about 30).

The Belief-o-Matic said "Your beliefs match closest with Liberal Quakerism!" with nothing else. And the quiz is pretty sucky as well... dunno why they changed it. Maybe I answered the wrong one...

[Kidlicious]

There is no such thing as a soul. If there is brain activity, it stops. Period.

How do you have free will then or do you not believe in that either?

[kentonio]

If he doesn't believe in a soul, then what's the likelihood of him believing in god?

[Kidlicious]

If he doesn't believe in a soul, then what's the likelihood of him believing in god?

I didn't ask him if he believed in God or not.

[kentonio]

So what meaning does 'free will' have?

[Kidlicious]

So what meaning does 'free will' have?

That you can make choices independent of the physical world, that you are a self.

[kentonio]

Ah so supernatural stuff.

[Kidlicious]

Yes

[Ben Kenobi]

The Belief-o-Matic said "Your beliefs match closest with Liberal Quakerism!" with nothing else. And the quiz is pretty sucky as well... dunno why they changed it. Maybe I answered the wrong one...

So something like a 10 percent matchup with Catholicism, Orthodoxy and Conservative Protestants. Unsurprised. I'm not quite sure why we would consider people who only have 10 percent overlap in their religious beliefs as members of the same faith.

[Kidlicious]

So something like a 10 percent matchup with Catholicism, Orthodoxy and Conservative Protestants. Unsurprised. I'm not quite sure why we would consider people who only have 10 percent overlap in their religious beliefs as members of the same faith.

Cause yer Pope says to. Bahaha.