Oklahomo?

[Ben Kenobi]

More side tracking... and still no proof to support your silly ass BS.

I'm not quite exactly sure what your argument has to do with Oklahoma. But whatever. Sure, I'm sidetracking here...

[Uncle Sparky]

Oklahoma! was the first musical to include a ballet section... they should make gay marriage mandatory!

[Dr Strangelove]

There is a big difference between "there is a substantial connection between the Catholic church" and MOST CATHOLICS ARE MONARCHISTS.
I've pointed out that 3 of the top 4 Catholic population countries haven't had a monarchy in over century... That's the blue print. You are wrong. You have offered up NO PROOF what so ever. Just because there is a connection between the church and monarchy does not make MOST CATHOLICS MONARCHISTS.

Try again mister BS.

Hmmmmm.......... The 4 largest Catholic countries would be Brazil, Mexico, Germany and Italy, or if you don't like Germany substitute Spain. IMHO juntas and fascist dictatorships count as monarchies, they're really the same thing, armed thugs ruling on the principle of "might makes right." Of that group 4 out of 4 have been governed by Juntas or fascist dictatorships within the past century.

[kentonio]

So what you actually mean is 'A majority of Catholics believe in authoritarian and anti-democractic government types'?

Which would make sense when you think about it.

[N35t0r]

Hmmmmm.......... The 4 largest Catholic countries would be Brazil, Mexico, Germany and Italy, or if you don't like Germany substitute Spain. IMHO juntas and fascist dictatorships count as monarchies, they're really the same thing, armed thugs ruling on the principle of "might makes right." Of that group 4 out of 4 have been governed by Juntas or fascist dictatorships within the past century.

The big difference is that, traditionally, monarchies are supposed to rule 'by grace of god'. I'd say there's a big difference between a dictatorship and a monarchy when religion is the topic.
Also, Ben did apparently say Monarchists, not fascists or authoritarianists or whatever.

[Ben Kenobi]

IMHO juntas and fascist dictatorships count as monarchies, they're really the same thing

Nope. They fall squarely into the 'republican' bin, because most of them are staunchly opposed to the monarchy and are anticlerical the same way most republics were founded on the same principles.

[Imran Siddiqui]

However, Franco didn't oppose the Catholic Church at all. Nor did Diaz in Mexico.

[Ming]

Hmmmmm.......... The 4 largest Catholic countries would be Brazil, Mexico, Germany and Italy, or if you don't like Germany substitute Spain.

Hmmmmm... My source was http://www.catholic-hierarchy.org/country/sc1.html

# Catholics Population Percent Catholic Country
1 145,446,000 184,227,000 78.95% Brazil
2 123,393,000 142,364,000 86.67% México
3 69,630,000 85,930,000 81.03% Philippines
4 64,621,000 285,538,000 22.63% USA

But now that I look at the source is says 2005. Probably out of date

[pchang]

So, according to Dr. Strangelove, North Korea is a monarchy.

[Imran Siddiqui]

It basically is at this point. Its hereditary rule.

[Ben Kenobi]

Franco didn't oppose the Catholic Church at all. Nor did Diaz in Mexico.

I did say Most. Franco's a bit of an aberration because he represented the right opposition under the republic. That's how and why he came to power, he wasn't a socialist like Hitler.

The problem with labelling Franco as a dictator is that the same folks backing Franco won the 1933 election. We don't hear about that very much.

The Right and the Left had about equal representation in the 1936 - 47 percent vs about 46, with about half a percent difference. However, that put about 2:1 representation in favor of the Left. There were severe problems with the 1931 constitution in failing to accurately represent the will of the people, again something we don't hear about very much because it doesn't fit the narrative, or the fact that there were rebellions in 1934, just as there were in 1936.

Does it really make sense to label it as a transition from republic to dictatorship, when we're looking at a period of 5 years? Spain as a constitutional monarchy has been far more stable.

[Ben Kenobi]

But now that I look at the source is says 2005. Probably out of date

Catholic heirarchy is the better source, as it traces the number of Catholics.

[Ming]

Catholic heirarchy is the better source, as it traces the number of Catholics.

Yeah, maybe... But at the end of the day YOU STILL HAVE NOT PROVED YOUR CLAIM THAT MOST CATHOLICS ARE MONARCHISTS!

It was pure BS, you were wrong, and you should just admit it.

[Ben Kenobi]

It was pure BS, you were wrong, and you should just admit it.

How is it pure BS? We've been discussing Catholic countries and the general consensus is that even though many are republics now, the republicans in these countries are pretty strictly (with a few exceptions), anti clerical and anti monarchists. Spain is just yet another example, if you look at the 1931 constitution.

[Ban Kenobi]

Hmmmmm.......... The 4 largest Catholic countries would be Brazil, Mexico, Germany and Italy, or if you don't like Germany substitute Spain. IMHO juntas and fascist dictatorships count as monarchies, they're really the same thing, armed thugs ruling on the principle of "might makes right." Of that group 4 out of 4 have been governed by Juntas or fascist dictatorships within the past century.

All governments consist of armed thugs ruling on the principle of "might makes right".