Oklahomo?

[Ben Kenobi]

I'm amenable to facts, Ming. You say I'm wrong, the blueprint in proving me wrong is right there. There is a substantial connection between the Catholic church and monarchy. You've argued the association swings the other way, that the Church is in fact more associated with republicanism. This flies in the face of many, many, many, anticlerical and republican movements in these countries, especially Mexico.

[rah]

He asks you to backup YOUR statements and your best response is prove me wrong. Precious.

[Ben Kenobi]

He asks you to backup YOUR statements and your best response is prove me wrong. Precious.

Which is why he's running interference for you after you claimed, 'freedom of privacy'. Man, when Imran is agreeing with me over you, you know you said something dumb.

You've gotten far more flak over not answering a well placed question than you ever would have in actually answering the question.

[Ming]

I'm amenable to facts, Ming. You say I'm wrong, the blueprint in proving me wrong is right there. There is a substantial connection between the Catholic church and monarchy. You've argued the association swings the other way, that the Church is in fact more associated with republicanism. This flies in the face of many, many, many, anticlerical and republican movements in these countries, especially Mexico.

There is a big difference between "there is a substantial connection between the Catholic church" and MOST CATHOLICS ARE MONARCHISTS.
I've pointed out that 3 of the top 4 Catholic population countries haven't had a monarchy in over century... That's the blue print. You are wrong. You have offered up NO PROOF what so ever. Just because there is a connection between the church and monarchy does not make MOST CATHOLICS MONARCHISTS.

Try again mister BS.

[Ben Kenobi]

I've pointed out that 3 of the top 4 Catholic population countries haven't had a monarchy in over century... That's the blue print. You are wrong. You have offered up NO PROOF what so ever. Just because there is a connection between the church and monarchy does not make MOST CATHOLICS MONARCHISTS.

Meanwhile, the actual movement makes no bones about the connection between anticlericalism and dumping the monarchy. Who am I to believe? Them or you? What reason do I have to believe that they are lying about the connection?

[Ming]

Meanwhile, the actual movement makes no bones about the connection between anticlericalism and dumping the monarchy. Who am I to believe? Them or you? What reason do I have to believe that they are lying about the connection?

Believe them if you wish... but that is still no proof of your BS Claim that MOST CATHOLICS ARE MONARCHISTS!
Try again silly boy.

[Ben Kenobi]

Believe them if you wish... but that is still no proof of your BS Claim that MOST CATHOLICS ARE MONARCHISTS!
Try again silly boy.

Yes, the fact that the movements that dumped the monarchies were also anticlerical is evidence that Catholicism is naturally conducive to republicanism.

I've seen the light!

[rah]

Just for grins,
Many revolutions are not about the will of the majority but the will of those that have the guns.

When were the movements that your're talking about?

[Ben Kenobi]

So your argument is that Catholicism now isn't the same as Catholicism back then?

[Ban Kenobi]

That would be obvious. When's the last time the Catholics burned a heretic alive?

[Ming]

So your argument is that Catholicism now isn't the same as Catholicism back then?

And just where did I say that? Oh, that's right, I didn't... YOU DID!

Again, nothing to do with your claim that MOST CATHOLICS ARE MONARCHISTS!

You have not provided one fact to support that BS Claim. And you have yet to admit you were wrong, and that you made it up.

[Ben Kenobi]

That would be obvious. When's the last time the Catholics burned a heretic alive?

Interesting. So you condemn burning heretics. What's your thought on Islam? Great religion or greatest religion?

[Ben Kenobi]

And just where did I say that? Oh, that's right, I didn't... YOU DID!

Did I say you said it? His argument works if he's arguing that Catholics back then were monarchists, but today Catholics are enlightened republicans. Of course, I could simply argue that increasing secularization brings the opposite conclusion.

[Ban Kenobi]

Interesting. So you condemn burning heretics. What's your thought on Islam? Great religion or greatest religion?

Crap religion, as bad as medieval Catholicism.

[Ming]

Did I say you said it? His argument works if he's arguing that Catholics back then were monarchists, but today Catholics are enlightened republicans. Of course, I could simply argue that increasing secularization brings the opposite conclusion.

More side tracking... and still no proof to support your silly ass BS.