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  • 8.4k is not much. But you are living in America, land of poor pay.
    Last edited by Nikolai; January 11, 2014, 19:26.
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    • Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View Post
      Again, as a conservative protestant who worked with many Catholics, that's not what I saw either. It was generally, Catholics + Baptists. Catholics + Baptists. Everywhere you went, Catholic plus some brand of low church evangelical. I had a lot of fun working with Catholics.



      I don't really see it. Liberal protestants really, really, really, do not like the Catholic church.
      You realize I am a Liberal Protestant . Members of my congregation were involved in a Lutheran-Catholic dialogue in Washington D.C. this year. And I dated a Pentecostal woman (Conservative Protestant) whose mother kept talking about all the horrible stuff the Catholic Church did and how they wouldn't even let the people read the Bible (and similar)!!

      Ecumenism basically arose from mainline Protestant denominations (during colonialism) - which tend to be liberal. A lot of conservative Protestants still consider it to be traitorous.
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      • Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View Post
        I don't make that much money
        That's "excellent pay"?!!

        I mean seriously... why take anything you say seriously when you can't even be intellectually honest about THIS!
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        • You realize I am a Liberal Protestant . Members of my congregation were involved in a Lutheran-Catholic dialogue in Washington D.C. this year. And I dated a Pentecostal woman (Conservative Protestant) whose mother kept talking about all the horrible stuff the Catholic Church did and how they wouldn't even let the people read the Bible (and similar)!!
          And I was a Mennonite myself. Again - my experiences working with prolife organizations is that there was one group conspicuously absent. Liberal protestants. Lots of Catholics, lots of low Church, evangelical Protestants.

          Ecumenism basically arose from mainline Protestant denominations (during colonialism) - which tend to be liberal. A lot of conservative Protestants still consider it to be traitorous.
          Catholic marriages weren't recognised in England until the 1850s. That's not the fault of Evangelicals. Most of Catholic persecution came from mainstream protestants, especially Episcopalians, Lutherans and Presbyterians.
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          • I mean seriously... why take anything you say seriously when you can't even be intellectually honest about THIS!
            Ok. Fine. Disclose your current salary, Imran.
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            • Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View Post
              And I was a Mennonite myself. Again - my experiences working with prolife organizations is that there was one group conspicuously absent. Liberal protestants. Lots of Catholics, lots of low Church, evangelical Protestants.
              Annnnd we're back to Catholicism is only about pro-life social issues.
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              • Annnnd we're back to Catholicism is only about pro-life social issues.
                Yes, it's odd that Christians believe that abortion is wrong while Liberal protestants believe otherwise.
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                • Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui View Post
                  Annnnd we're back to Catholicism is only about pro-life social issues.
                  Not even the Pope agrees with Ben but he'll keep babbling. He always does.
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                  • That's right, Dinner, the Pope said that abortion isn't wrong.
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                    • And... He still can't read simple English. Person: "X", Ben: "You said Y!", Person: "No, I said X." Round and round Ben goes with reality never any where near him.
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                      • Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View Post
                        Was this before or after you were told by the officer to leave the county? I remember a time when I visited NYC and the beggars were black. Obviously NYC is racially divided and prejudiced.
                        And 'To Kill A Mockingbird' is fiction, but is based on fact. Or did you miss that ?
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                        • Originally posted by rah View Post
                          Gee Sherman burned Atlanta in the 1960's? If you think that white men weren't getting acquitted by all white juries in the south in the 1960's you really shouldn't be teaching history.

                          For more reasons than that alone.... but you know this already.
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                          • I just think it's funny that he's saying that I can't possible be truly knowledgeable about something unless I directly experienced it. Not what I would expect from a history major.
                            It's almost as if all his overconfident, absolutist assertions were spoonfed to him by a trusted website or subreddit. Sheeple
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                            • Like him with the bible I guess. He knows it's true 'cause he experienced it.
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                              • Originally posted by rah View Post
                                I just think it's funny that he's saying that I can't possible be truly knowledgeable about something unless I directly experienced it. Not what I would expect from a history major.
                                He doesn't adhere to any consistent philosophical principles, just whatever is convenient for the argument he is currently engaged in, in this case he's attempting to defend the reputation of the South from Yankee slander because he's a wannabe Southerner. Ben is best understood as having factional loyalties such as being Catholic, a wannabe Texan, and loyal to the queen of Britain.

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