More proof that racism does not exist in America today.

[MikeH]

read the link

[kentonio]

Wish I'd said that.

[Ben Kenobi]

Treat racial or socio-economic groups as suspects and over time they lose faith in law enforcement and society.

More likely, people see others commit crimes and get ahead, while they get their ass probed.

[Ben Kenobi]

read the link

Stats back crime reduction after correct profiling. Criminals whine about getting caught. News at 11.

[MikeH]

understand the link

[MikeH]

The huge decline in crime, including homicides, robberies, assaults and burglaries, has largely been attributed to the so-called "broken windows" policy of the New York Police Department (NYPD) aggressively pursuing minor crimes

i.e. the decline is not attributed to profiling, which has been seen to have a negative impact as seen in the later evidence.

[Kidlicious]

Actually the statistics show that the most common victim of crimes committed by men are other men, not women. Ergo, profiling men will protect men more than it protects women.

Is your position that women should not be more protected than men? Let's start there.

[Ben Kenobi]

i.e. the decline is not attributed to profiling, which has been seen to have a negative impact as seen in the later evidence.

What 'later evidence'? 'is not attributed' has sweet **** all to do with the stats. The stats show, profiling implemented, crime goes down. The criminal community whines about how profiling is 'unfair'. Why exactly should I care about people's perceptions when the evidence runs contrary to them.

[MikeH]

The stats show broken windows implemented, crime goes down.

[Ben Kenobi]

Is your position that women should not be more protected than men? Let's start there.

Is your stance that protecting women is contrary to justice? You claimed that "I was doing this because I was defending women in general", when in actuality the statistics show that I'm actually standing up for men who are victims of crime. The stats don't show that profiling preferentially protects women over men, just the opposite.

I would think that as a true man activist, you would support criminal profiling as reducing the likelihood of men being victims of crime. But you probably don't believe that happens and that only women are victims.

[Ben Kenobi]

The stats show broken windows implemented, crime goes down.

Who commits the majority of property crime and vandalism in NYC? White bankers in their BMWs?

[molly bloom]

Yet you demand no evidence from MikeH to prove his statement? .

I'm familiar with U.K. stats and police behaviour- with an Irish surname having lived through several decades of I.R.A./I.N.L.A. activity and also with, you might say, 'conspicuously' dark skinned friends. Oh and being gay in Manchester during Chief Constable Anderton's tenure.

Odd that.

Not at all. You rarely ever back up statements of that kind with a link or proof. Perhaps that's in your 'Poly profile....

And yes, I was profiled.

As ?

So perception trumps the facts?

It always has for you (see discussion about Owen Chadwick, an historian of religion who happens to be Anglican, et cetera...) .

[Ben Kenobi]

As ?

As a poor white single male driving a rustbucket. It's a ****ing cop magnet in the hood. ****, every month I was stopped and pulled over. The only time I saw more police scrutiny is when I was a delivery driver and out on the road all day.

So perception trumps the facts? It always has for you (see discussion about Owen Chadwick, an historian of religion who happens to be Anglican, et cetera...)

Molly, you really don't think I understand the game you play? I decided to amuse myself and follow up on all the historians you cited. It confirmed my exact suspicions. I don't think you are dumb. For some reason you expect me not to do due diligence with your sources. And no - if you won't accept Catholic priests, then I'm under not obligation to accept reverands.

[Kidlicious]

Is your stance that protecting women is contrary to justice? You claimed that "I was doing this because I was defending women in general", when in actuality the statistics show that I'm actually standing up for men who are victims of crime. The stats don't show that profiling preferentially protects women over men, just the opposite.

I would think that as a true man activist, you would support criminal profiling as reducing the likelihood of men being victims of crime. But you probably don't believe that happens and that only women are victims.

The point is that when the system is bigoted you are going to favor one over the other. The result, of course, is that the vi tims of your injustice commit more crime. For example, you profile black men, they are seperated from their children, and now their children grow up to be criminals. Then you say you profile blacks because the break the law. You fu king disgusting bigot.

[Ban Kenobi]

What 'later evidence'? 'is not attributed' has sweet **** all to do with the stats. The stats show, profiling implemented, crime goes down. The criminal community whines about how profiling is 'unfair'. Why exactly should I care about people's perceptions when the evidence runs contrary to them.

Actually most of the black community whines about getting profiled and you label it the "criminal community"