Christie or Hillary in 2016?

[Hauldren Collider]

By the way, Sava, you're the man

[Krill]

Actually, we should be following Britain's lead on abortion. They are harder to get and more restricted there then they are here, thanks to Roe v. Wade.

It's posts like these that show why you have the empathy of a rock.

[Ben Kenobi]

Posting facts does tend to trump feelings.

[Hauldren Collider]

It's posts like these that show why you have the empathy of a rock.

On the contrary, I'm very sympathetic to the babies getting killed.

[giblets]

Empathy for things that don't have a pathos

I have a lot of empathy for the trees

[Ben Kenobi]

I have a lot of empathy for the trees

Apparently Gribbler's family sees trees as their kin.

[DaShi]

Empathy for things that don't have a pathos

I have a lot of empathy for the trees

HC's beliefs are consistent with most conservatives: protect the unborn so that they can enter a world where they will be more likely to be killed.

Conservatives want abortions too, they just want it after birth.

[Patroklos]

I'm pretty sure you thought that was clever.

[kentonio]

This is what everyone said in 2008. Everyone. To the point that it was practically her campaign slogan. Then, because she is a talentless politician, she ran an incredibly ****ty campaign. Barack Obama ran a good campaign and beat her soundly. I expect that to happen again with some other dark horse Democrat.

That's because you're an idiot. The reason it happened last time is because it was unexpected and Clinton was too over confident that the nomination was hers to walk into. You really think that eight years later she's going to do exactly the same thing and repeat exactly the same error?

[Sava]

Being anti-abortion and anti-gun control are very popular and very mainstream policy positions and not extreme at all.

Only in the Republican party. The vast majority of the American public is pro-gun control and pro-choice.

[regexcellent]

Only in the Republican party. The vast majority of the American public is pro-gun control and pro-choice.

No and no, more Americans are anti-gun control and pro-life/pro-choice is pretty even.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/154838/pr...ecord-low.aspx "pro-life" is greater than "pro-choice"

http://www.gallup.com/poll/165563/re...-gun-laws.aspx This is from the post-newtown bonanza, note that support for "keep the same" and "less strict" outnumber "more strict" and since then the numbers have stabilized back to "keep the same" being the largest contingent in other polls

now I really have to go to bed

[Patroklos]

I'm sorry, are you claiming that Hillary is NOT overconfident right now? Listen to yoursf, and then realize you are probably th least significant of her supporters and are drowning if your fanboi ***. She considers it a birthright at this point and is obvious.

She is the front runner now, but we are three years out. The problem with that is that's three years for people to get sick of her or self destruct which is inevitable for politicians on a long enough time scale. I will give to you that should she manage these years well it could become an advantage but given the record of most campaigns it's just to long to keep your **** together. I don't expect an Edwards situation but having been the second fiddle for damn near 24 years now she doesn't have skeletons, she is the skeleton.

[giblets]

"Stricter" gun laws is stronger than "less strict".

http://www.gallup.com/poll/165563/remains-divided-passing-stricter-gun-laws.aspx

[regexcellent]

"Stricter" gun laws is stronger than "less strict".

http://www.gallup.com/poll/165563/remains-divided-passing-stricter-gun-laws.aspx

I just posted that

Not that it matters because pro-gun politicians continue to trounce anti-gun politicians electorally when gun control is the major issue (see for example colorado)

And of course more strict is outnumbered by the other two

And and there isn't a serious pro-gun control voting bloc; nobody's going to switch their vote over it except gun owners and there are a lot of those

[kentonio]

I'm sorry, are you claiming that Hillary is NOT overconfident right now? Listen to yoursf, and then realize you are probably th least significant of her supporters and are drowning if your fanboi ***. She considers it a birthright at this point and is obvious.

She'll have spent most of the last 5 years thinking about what might have been and where it all went wrong. If you think she's just going to blindly repeat 2008 then you are simple minded. Except of course the likes of you and HC aren't actually simple minded, you're just so politically partisan that you assume all your ideological foes must be retarded.

I will give to you that should she manage these years well it could become an advantage but given the record of most campaigns it's just to long to keep your **** together.