Should the Republican Party Bow Out of 2016?

[DinoDoc]

Who doesn't like The Parts of Michigan?

I don't know what you are referring to.

[regexcellent]

The only people who care about those FOX Benghazi fantasies are the dumb ****s who will vote GOP without fail regardless.



Unless the GOP do a radical shift of approach, the demographics are absolutely horrific for them. Their numbers for 'minorities' are in the gutter, at a time when minorities are going to become majorities in many states in the not too distant future. Oh and they've also managed to turn away lots of women, whom last time I checked were also a majority. Not really smart policy.


Keep telling yourself that.

Oh hey it's Kentonio pretending to know things about American politics again! The growth of minorities won't be enough by 2016 to matter unless it's as close as last time (where, remember, the Democrats held on by the skin of their teeth). And for every point democrats are gaining among women, they are losing among men (who vote more), making that shift totally zero-sum.


Benghazi had a visible impact on Clinton's poll numbers. She went from somewhere north of 70% approval down to below 60% in a job where something like 90% approval is common. So no, it's not all about people who watch Fox News Channel. Maybe if our supposed British "conservative" got his information from something other than left-wing American blogs he would know this.

[regexcellent]

Of course none of this accounts for the fact that Obamacare is in full swing now and isn't doing the Democrats any more favors now than it did in 2010...

[Captain ******* Kirk]

In just two of fifteen battleground states, Obama improved. North Carolina and Colorado. That's it.

That's amazing. Turnout is invariably lower for a sitting President in his second electoral campaign, so to keep it close in most states and actually increase turnout in a couple states even with the economy stuck in neutral and the "hope and change" fever dissipated is stellar work by Obama and his campaign.

He lost ground vs the GOP in every battleground state.

No ****. This was inevitable given how easy his victory in 2008 was.

[Captain ******* Kirk]

I thought Romney was a solid candidate at the time but hindsight has shown that how weak a candidate he was at least based on the weakness of his national campaign (Project Orca, seriously?) and the soft ground game he had. He also seemed more comfortable going on the offensive against his GOP primary opponents than he was wrt Obama even after the President's campaign accused him of being a murderer and a tax cheat.

I don't see how you can say that given that Romney went on the offense and kicked Obama's ass in the first debate. I agree with you that his national campaign didn't keep pace with Obama's and that's why he lost, but I don't think his campaign was "weak". Romney's campaign would've been fine if he'd been running in a traditional election, but it simply wasn't ready to handle the campaigning revolution that the Obama team ushered in. Maybe the Romney campaign should've seen the revolution coming, but that's easier said in hindsight than done in practice.

[Captain ******* Kirk]

Congress passed a budget. The Senate majority leader Harry Reid (Dem) refused to take it up for a vote.

This isn't true. Harry Reid passed a budget this year and it was Senate Republicans that refused to let it go to conference committee where it could be reconciled with the House budget.

[DaShi]

Romney was doing quite poorly before that debate. The campaign would have worked fine against a candidate like Kerry, whose notes he must have borrowed. But against any of the past five presidents, he would have lost handily.

[Captain ******* Kirk]

lol if you think Hillary can win in 2016 after the fiasco in Libya and her abysmal performance as secretary of state.

No one will remember Benghazi in 2016 and Hillary's exemplary service as Secretary of State will be an advantage for her as she runs for President. Won't be enough to outweigh all the structural factors working against her, but it's a great resume point.

[Hauldren Collider]

I really don't know why you think it's exemplary.

[Captain ******* Kirk]

Just look at what John Kerry's doing and maybe you'll get an inkling.

[Sava]

LADIES leave yo man at home
The club is full of ballas and they pockets full grown
And all you fellas leave yo girl with her friends
'Cause its 11:30 and the club is jumpin', jumpin'

[Hauldren Collider]

Just look at what John Kerry's doing and maybe you'll get an inkling.

John Kerry's not doing any worse than Clinton did. Clinton set the stage for all of Kerry's troubles now. To be honest, it's Obama whose foreign policy sucks, and they're the suckers who are put in charge of implementing it.

[Captain ******* Kirk]

John Kerry's not doing any worse than Clinton did.

Of course he is. You obviously weren't paying any attention to his moronic freelancing on Syria.

To be honest, it's Obama whose foreign policy sucks, and they're the suckers who are put in charge of implementing it.

Obama's first-term foreign policy was much better than Bush's, thanks in no small part to the leadership of Hillary and Gates.

[Sava]

What's important is that you guys believe this stuff.

[giblets]

Who doesn't like The Parts of Michigan?

Is that the place where the trees are the right height?