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  • Should the Republican Party Bow Out of 2016?

    As you may have guessed, the White House is just as excited about the 2016 as anyone. Can you blame them? Obama is clearly suffering from presidential fatigue that all second termers eventually feel; realizing that the latter four years are the same as the first, only you get less done. So we get to this:

    White House Press Secretary Jay Carney encouraged the whole lot of potential 2016 Republican presidential candidates to jump in, avoiding a question about whether President Barack Obama would back his own vice president, Joe Biden, for the Democratic nomination.

    "I think they all ought to run," Carney said of the Republicans on Friday. "That'd be awesome."


    The President knows that if Hilary runs, she's guaranteed to win. And since revealing to the American public the entirety of the circus side-show that the Republican party has become is one of his favorite past-times, it's not a surprise that he wants the whole troupe on display. However, even if Hilary doesn't run, the Republicans still have a full arsenal of fools to keep themselves from being taken seriously.

    This leads to the question: Should the Republicans gracefully bow out of 2016? After the embarrassment of the last two elections, this seems the reasonable course of action.

    The 2008 election gave us Sarah Palin. That she's still politically relevant in the party attests to what poor shape it is in. The election even took down the admirable John McCain, who went from respected war hero to angry and impotent grandpa shouting at the neighbor's dog. After this dismal performance, what was the best the party could do in 2012? Mitt Romney. Romney, who ran his campaign on the platform of not being the other guy. After a year of pandering to the Tea Party, he enters the general election promising to literally be the white Obama. Same policies, differ name and race. Now he's a pariah in his own party, mocked by the very people who said he was the best candidate they've ever seen little over a year earlier.

    There's really no reason to expect anything different from 2016. With the Tea Party even crazier after the shutdown, you can expect candidates like Santorum and Bachman, to take center stage. You can't blame the media. They just want ratings, and Tea Party extremists make for good television. But only people suffering brain damage would vote for them. Reasonable candidates like Christie and Ryan will get sidelined. Their only hope is to put on a show for the yokels that might win them the primaries but cost them the general. So basically, if the Republicans run in 2016, they will cement themselves as the party of fools.

    Finally, with the GOP as divided as it is now, the last thing they would even want is the presidency. Currently the only thing uniting all Republicans is an irrational hatred for Obama. Without that, they will go for each other's throats. The party will most certainly split and will have no one to blame but themselves. However, Hilary can certainly fill the Obama role being the thing Republicans fear more than blacks: women. But, honestly, the Republicans have enough hate to despise any Democratic candidate unlucky enough to take the office. So, Hilary or not, there is no good reason for Republicans to run a presidential candidate in 2016.
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    They should run Ted Cruz. That would be both entertaining and end the delusion that "if only we ran a TRUE conservative than we would win!" Plus it would be funny to see Hillary take 48 states.
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    • #3
      They have a 50/50 chance of winning, it looks like. They nominated Romney last time around, so it's not like they're doomed to nominate a nutjob like Bachmann. Most of the potential Republican candidates are terrible, but it seems like most presidential candidates in general are terrible.


      Originally posted by Dinner View Post
      They should run Ted Cruz. That would be both entertaining and end the delusion that "if only we ran a TRUE conservative than we would win!" Plus it would be funny to see Hillary take 48 states.
      The majority of Republican primary voters seem to be more realistic than that. It's just a loud minority that think picking an extremist will lead to better results.

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      • #4
        At this point, I suspect almost any halfway-sane person who appeared among the GOP ranks would be dubbed "electable" and get a sizable base solidly behind him instantly. Anyway, why should the GOP bow out? As a political party, it's not in their interests to give up a presidential race, no matter what the odds.
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        • #5
          Look at it this way:

          Political Points Lost
          Win: 200 (100 for embarrassing election, 100 for dividing the party)
          Loss: 200 (100 for embarrassing election, 100 for losing presidency)
          Don't run: 100 (100 for losing presidency)

          2016 is a lose-lose-lose for Republicans. It just comes down to which loss is the least damaging.
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          • #6
            DaShi's analysis is beyond absurd, to the point that it's not even worth discussing. The GOP is not in terrible shape, or doomed, or anything of the sort. Romney very nearly won the last election and there are a number of very popular ex-Governors that will be in the running for 2016. Keep an eye out for Scott Walker. Yes, the democrats hate him, but he's an electoral juggernaut able to pull victories in blue-leaning states and has shown himself to be a capable administrator and politician. Plus, he supports immigration reform but the Newt Gingriches and Michelle Bachmanns can't claim that he's "not conservative enough".
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            • #7
              Originally posted by DaShi View Post
              Reasonable candidates like Christie and Ryan will get sidelined.
              Ryan wants to turn Medicare into a voucher plan, he is not a 'reasonable' candidate. Agreed about Christie though, who is already toast.

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              • #8
                Ryan's plan is perfectly reasonable. A voucher plan is exactly what medicare has to become if it isn't going to bankrupt the country. The left-leaning democrats are completely in denial about this. Less crazy democrats like Bill Clinton actually like Paul Ryan, and agree medicare needs changing.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
                  DaShi's analysis is beyond absurd, to the point that it's not even worth discussing. The GOP is not in terrible shape, or doomed, or anything of the sort.
                  It's not doomed but its in the worst shape it's been in for decades. If you don't see that, go look at some polls.

                  Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
                  Romney very nearly won the last election and there are a number of very popular ex-Governors that will be in the running for 2016.
                  He did not 'very nearly' win the last election, he lost 47-53% and 332-206 EC votes in an election that he should have won by a comfortable margin. Stop lying to yourself.

                  Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
                  Keep an eye out for Scott Walker. Yes, the democrats hate him, but he's an electoral juggernaut able to pull victories in blue-leaning states and has shown himself to be a capable administrator and politician.
                  You're deluding yourself, seriously.

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                  • #10
                    Also, hillary clinton's a ****ty politician. I don't know why anyone harbors fantasies to the contrary. Her campaign in 2008 was a shitshow, and the only time she actually had a major policy initiative, she cost the Clinton administration both houses of Congress (Hillarycare). Put her up against a decent GOP ex-Governor and she's fighting an uphill battle.

                    Kentonio, your understanding of US politics rivals Ben Kenobi's. It would not have taken much for Romney to win, and YOU'RE deluded if you don't think Scott Walker is a major threat to the democrats. Democrats who are paying attention think he is a major threat to the democrats.

                    The GOP is in better shape than it has been in decades, actually. Don't look at the polls. Look at how much of the government they actually control. One house of congress and something like 30 states. They don't have the white house or the senate, true, but in the 80s it had been decades since they had both houses of congress and most state legislatures were solidly blue.
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                    • #11
                      Ken is right. Scott Walker won't be able to carry a national election. He just barely passed a recount in his own state.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
                        Also, hillary clinton's a ****ty politician. I don't know why anyone harbors fantasies to the contrary. Her campaign in 2008 was a shitshow, and the only time she actually had a major policy initiative, she cost the Clinton administration both houses of Congress (Hillarycare). Put her up against a decent GOP ex-Governor and she's fighting an uphill battle.
                        Aren't you worried that you are using the same flawed reasoning that made you believe that Romney would win the presidency despite the preponderance of evidence to the contrary at the time? I'd be more worried about that than any political election.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
                          Ryan's plan is perfectly reasonable. A voucher plan is exactly what medicare has to become if it isn't going to bankrupt the country. The left-leaning democrats are completely in denial about this. Less crazy democrats like Bill Clinton actually like Paul Ryan, and agree medicare needs changing.
                          Was that the part where he said..

                          Originally posted by Bill Clinton
                          people will use less, get sicker and die quickly. Or they will be poorer because they'll have to spend so much of their money on health care.
                          It's a ****ing horrible plan that would cause untold suffering to millions of people. If you think its something that can win an election you're an idiot. Go look at the percentage of the electorate that is a senior or approaching being.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by kentonio View Post
                            Ryan wants to turn Medicare into a voucher plan, he is not a 'reasonable' candidate. Agreed about Christie though, who is already toast.
                            Ryan might have to run on it during the primaries but will then have to drop it during the general. Of course, he'll then be accused of both being a flipflopper and wanting to kill Medicare. The whole voucher plan is a political loser for him. Whether it is good or not is irrelevant.
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                            • #15
                              If the GOP gets over their ridiculous butthurt at Christie for having the temerity to put politics aside when his state was hit by a natural disaster, they would be smart to nominate him in 2016. He's the only realistic chance they have for winning the presidency, unless the Democrats do something stupid and nominate Andrew Cuomo.

                              But I've said it all along, and will keep saying it: If Hillary runs, she wins. In a landslide, or pretty close to it.
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