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Originally posted by Berzerker View PostOf course he does, his question goes to the heart of their "right" - which one of you is without sin? Let him carry out the punishment. Nobody was without sin, they dropped their stones and walked away. How can you read that as an endorsement of casting the first stone?
No, I'm saying its hypocritical for a bachelor who abstains from sex to tell everyone else to get married and have kids. Do as I say, not as I do. You are attributing to Jesus an obsession with marriage and children he didn't have to the point of making him out to be a hypocrite.
Jesus told the woman "sin no more", that confirms adultery was a sin to Jesus. He never said that about homosexuality and for good reason, adultery violates a promise or oath or commitment. Homosexuality does not.
Jesus didn't leave his mother and father and cleave to his wife and have children... According to your logic Jesus was accusing himself of sin - along with your Catholic Church.I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
- Justice Brett Kavanaugh
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Originally posted by kentonio View PostWhich is why many of us don't construe things like that, but instead see his call for you to love your neighbour as yourself and judge yourself before you judge others as a pretty clear sign that the whole 'ostrasize the gays' thing probably wasn't something he would have been a huge fan of.
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Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View PostFinally, an answer. If conscience is all you need, why would you have any need to consult with the bible?
Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View PostI'm not even saying that. I'm saying you're making a case for Atheism in general, not Christianity. It's consistent with your convictions.
I don't care if the Bible is textually consistent with the Dead Sea Scrolls. They were written by people. Crazy, gullible people with their own agendas, like the rest of us. Does that answer your question as to which parts of the Bible ought to be retained?
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From one point of view, christianity is the absolut control tool for the elite.
A bunch of guilt - ridden people running around asking for forgiveness with all the introvert guillible, retractory, defitism mentality that that entails.
And on the other hand it's the greatest thing on earth:
love your neighboor, everyone can be saved, be kind, humble, have someone on your side when life gets difficult, believe in something greater
it's in the way that you use it
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Originally posted by Bereta_Eder View PostFrom one point of view, christianity is the absolut control tool for the elite.
A bunch of guilt - ridden people running around asking for forgiveness with all the introvert guillible, retractory, defitism mentality that that entails.
And on the other hand it's the greatest thing on earth:
love your neighboor, everyone can be saved, be kind, humble, have someone on your side when life gets difficult, believe in something greater
it's in the way that you use itI drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
- Justice Brett Kavanaugh
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Originally posted by Bereta_Eder View Postyou can't unconditionally love your neighboor because he may be an assh@t.
else you'll end up like those polynesian tribes that got completely extinct because they have a non violence culture and didn't fight back at the corporations.
in all things moderationI drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
- Justice Brett Kavanaugh
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Originally posted by kentonio View PostYou know the Presbyterian Church in the US recently voted to sanction gay marriage right?
The Evangelical Lutheran Church of America voted back in 2009 to allow for gay Pastors in committed relationships (prior to that gay pastors were allowed, but had to be celibate). More than a few gay folks have been married in the ELCA (including my former pastor, who moved to an ECLA church in Minnesota; ie, American Lutheran Holy Land ).
It's only a matter of time, but all Christian traditions will come around to this point. The anti-homosexual Christian rhetoric will be seen as the pro-slavery Christian rhetoric is today. His truth is marching on.“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
- John 13:34-35 (NRSV)
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