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[Sava]

Adam and Eve is the model for marriage

I'm only to marry a woman who was cloned from my rib? Our children are to inbreed?

[Ben Kenobi]

Following your logic, not only is eating fish on a friday a sin, but eating any food on a friday is a sin.

Jesus says, "this is what you should do", not, "this is what you shouldn't do". So it would be akin to Jesus saying, "eat fish on Friday", and then eating meat anyways and arguing that since fish is meat that any form of meat is ok.

[kentonio]

So how do you interpret when Jesus spells out that Adam and Eve is the model for marriage and that men are to leave their families and cleave to their wife as an endorsement for gay marriage?

Jesus says, "this is what you should do", not, "this is what you shouldn't do".

You answered your own question. He isn't saying that one thing (homosexuality in this case) is prohibited.

So it would be akin to Jesus saying, "eat fish on Friday", and then eating meat anyways and arguing that since fish is meat that any form of meat is ok.

I have no idea what that convoluted mess is supposed to be. If he says 'don't eat fish on friday' then does that also mean eating any meat on a friday is banned? Because that's the logic you used above with your donkey/goat example.

[Sava]

'Don't fornicate with animals'.

[Ben Kenobi]

I'm only to marry a woman who was cloned from my rib? Our children are to inbreed?

Hrm? Jesus is quite clear and spells it out. Men and women are made for each other in marriage. This is why you have Adam and eve, and not, say, two guys.

[Ben Kenobi]

You answered your own question. He isn't saying that one thing (homosexuality in this case) is prohibited.

So why isn't Jesus saying, "homosexuality is good?"

Or, as you claimed, "if you're gay, it's ok if you sleep with a man."

Since we've established that Jesus is showing you what you should be doing, why doesn't he affirm gay marriage?

[kentonio]

So why isn't Jesus saying, "homosexuality is good?"

Or, as you claimed, "if you're gay, it's ok if you sleep with a man."

I could just as easily turn that around and say why didn't Jesus say those things aren't ok? If you want to ask why Jesus didn't say certain things, there's an extremely long list to choose from.

Since we've established that Jesus is showing you what you should be doing, why doesn't he affirm gay marriage?

When did Jesus say that you should leave your family behind and emigrate to a foreign country? He didn't say that, so using your logic doing it must be sinful. When did Jesus say it was ok to post on internet forums? He didn't, so by your logic you are now sinning.

[kentonio]

And one of the scribes came and heard them arguing, and recognizing that He had answered them well, asked Him, "What commandment is the foremost of all?" Jesus answered, "The foremost is, 'Hear, O Israel! The Lord our God is one Lord; and you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind, and with all your strength.' "The second is this, 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' There is no other commandment greater than these."

Let me guess, in Canada your next door neighbour was gay, right?

[Ben Kenobi]

I could just as easily turn that around and say why didn't Jesus say those things aren't ok?

We've already established that Jesus tells us what we should be doing. You said so yourself.

So where's the affirmation of gay marriage in scripture, Kentonio? Why is it that Jesus explicitly confirms that marriage is between one man and one woman?

That would seem to be the end of the road for your train.

[Ben Kenobi]

When did Jesus say that you should leave your family behind and emigrate to a foreign country? He didn't say that, so using your logic doing it must be sinful. When did Jesus say it was ok to post on internet forums? He didn't, so by your logic you are now sinning.

Genesis 12:1

The Lord had said to Abram, “Go from your country, your people and your father’s household to the land I will show you.

[Ben Kenobi]

Let me guess, in Canada your next door neighbour was gay, right?

You're talking about the guy who stole 2 weeks of rent from me in an illegal eviction?

I'm not quite sure how you interpret this as loving your neighbor.

I am thankful that the most critical stuff I had was on me so he couldn't trash it.

[Ben Kenobi]

So, since we've established that Christ taught that marriage is between one man and one woman, are there any other non-sequitors you want to throw out?

[kentonio]

We've already established that Jesus tells us what we should be doing. You said so yourself.

No, you said it and I decided to go along with it because even with that acceptance your logic is nonsensical.

So where's the affirmation of gay marriage in scripture, Kentonio? Why is it that Jesus explicitly confirms that marriage is between one man and one woman?

That would seem to be the end of the road for your train.

You logic is fatally flawed. You do huge amounts of things which jesus never endorsed, yet you don't consider those to be sins. All you're doing (unsurprisingly) is taking something you personally don't like and trying to twist scripture to back you up.

Genesis 12:1

Oh, so God giving one person a direct order, means that everyone else for thousands of years to come should follow that same order? So when exactly are you going to build your ark? When are you going to lead the chosen people out of Egypt?

[kentonio]

You're talking about the guy who stole 2 weeks of rent from me in an illegal eviction?

I'm not quite sure how you interpret this as loving your neighbor.

I am thankful that the most critical stuff I had was on me so he couldn't trash it.

AHAH! THE TRUTH!! You hate gays because a gay person did something bad to you once. Just like when you said it was understandable if someone hated blacks if black people had robbed them. You are truly pathetic.

[Ben Kenobi]

You do huge amounts of things which jesus never endorsed

How does this change the fact that Jesus explicitly taught that marriage was between one man and one woman. Facts are fact, Kentonio.

Ad hominem attacks do nothing.

All you're doing (unsurprisingly) is taking something you personally don't like and trying to twist scripture to back you up

I've supplied the citations which are really clear.

Oh, so God giving one person a direct order, means that everyone else for thousands of years to come should follow that same order?

I'm not quite sure how you came to the conclusion that God believes Emigration is a sin. If God could command Abraham to emigrate, it stands to reason that God does not regard emigration as sinful.