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  • Originally posted by regexcellent View Post
    Kink community? Huh? Like, does there really need to be an advocacy group for people who tie each other up during sex?

    Unless you're talking kinks like scat fetish in which case I reserve the right to judge people based on their actions, tyvm.

    Not an advocacy group. A community in the sense that people with similar interests find each other and socialise together. Yes, there is a kink 'community.'
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    • Originally posted by regexcellent View Post
      At that point you're kind of splitting hairs.

      It's how they identify. I'd say many Irish-Americans are splitting hairs as well, but hey if that floats their boats whatever...
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      • Originally posted by notyoueither View Post
        A is simply an example of wide-spread and perhaps willful ignorance. I would guess that the term originated in the LGBTQ and kink communities where it can be a useful term.
        You would guess, but according to Wiki it's unclear who invented it--it just appeared on a newsgroup, as far as anyone can tell--so it seems we're both wrong. At any rate, it's certainly used a lot by insufferable PoMo cranks, and I would guess they're its primary users outside of internal discussions among the "community" or what-have-you. Again, from the Wiki:

        German sexologist Volkmar Sigusch may have been the first to use the term cissexual (zissexuell in German) in a peer-reviewed publication: in his 1998 essay "The Neosexual Revolution," he cites his two-part 1991 article "Die Transsexuellen und unser nosomorpher Blick" ("Transsexuals and our nosomorphic view") as the origin of the term.[14] He also used the term in the title of a 1995 article, "Transsexueller Wunsch und zissexuelle Abwehr" (or: "Transsexual desire and cissexual defense").[15]

        The terms cisgender and cissexual have more recently been used in publications, such as a 2006 article in the Journal of Lesbian Studies[16] and Julia Serano's 2007 book Whipping Girl,[6] after which the term gained some popularity among English-speaking activists and scholars.[17][18][19] Proponents of using the terms rather than terms like "non-transsexual" or "non-trans" have argued that it calls attention to and unsettles the assumption that people, by default, have an internal sense of being male or female that matches the sex marker they were assigned at birth: for example, Jillana Enteen wrote that "cissexual" is "meant to show that there are embedded assumptions encoded in expecting this seamless conformity."[20] On the other hand, other authors have argued that other terms are more likely to be familiar to readers: for example, Krista Scott-Dixon noted "I prefer the term non-trans to other options such as cissexual/cisgendered... as I think it both centers trans as the norm, and presently offers more clarity to the average person than the cis prefix."[21]

        Serano also uses the related term cissexism, "which is the belief that transsexuals' identified genders are inferior to, or less authentic than, those of cissexuals."[22] While having been used by trans activists for some time,[23][24] the term "cisgender privilege" has recently appeared in academic literature and is defined there as the "set of unearned advantages that individuals who identify as the gender they were assigned at birth accrue solely due to having a cisgender identity."
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        • I said nothing about discomfort. Only about relevance and necessity. The term has no purpose but to make heavily politicized vapor (or breathtakingly obvious statements) sound technical and "smart."
          It's simply pedantry. I'm not exactly sure how one derives 'discomfort'. I guess tedium is discomforting.
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          • Originally posted by loinburger View Post
            I figure it's like any other sort of jargon - useful in a few contexts, obnoxious in most others.
            Obnoxious is also useful though. I mean if I knew it bothered HC so much I would have started using it years ago.

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            • Originally posted by notyoueither View Post
              That's the point, it is no longer considered a mental illness. To continue insisting otherwise when the medical community has moved on is bigoted.
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              • Originally posted by Elok View Post
                It's a largely unnecessary term; the vast, vast majority of people are not transgendered, so we could get on fine with "non-TG." If you seriously need a specialized term to refer to the non-TG, well, that implies that you spend a good deal of time musing on the differences between the TG and non-TG, etc.
                I have to agree with Elok here. 98%+ of people aren't transgendered so simply saying "straight, white male" or "straight male" should be enough. Sure, I understand that transgender advocates want to pretend that everything is equal and that by admitting normal people are normal that they're some how being discriminatory but there really must be some sort of nod to common sense. When virtually everyone is not transgendered it seems to me fair that non-transgendered people are considered the social norm and thus wouldn't require a special disclaimer about being cisgendered. Call me old fashioned if you must but PC can go too far.
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                • Originally posted by notyoueither View Post
                  That's the point, it is no longer considered a mental illness. To continue insisting otherwise when the medical community has moved on is bigoted.
                  This is so ****ing stupid.

                  Being transgendered isn't a mental illness because it's actually a physical illness? That's exactly like saying delirium isn't a mental illness, it's just that you're in the wrong reality. It's all a matter of perspective, see! The train's not moving on the tracks, the tracks are moving underneath it!

                  What the ****, that is so backwards. That there are actual people with actual qualifications saying such retarded bull**** speaks more to the meaningfulness of their qualifications more than it does reality.

                  We need to take all of the world's psychiatrists and put them through the Zyklon B showers. It's for the future of mankind.

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                  • I think someone on here said during a previous argument about trannies (dammit, we've had multiple arguments about trannies and that's just kinda sad) that in some cases transgendered men will actually have two X chromosomes, or women will have a Y in there. So by some freak hormonal accident the body developed in two different directions but the brain was right all along. Something like that. Can't be arsed to look it up though. Lord only knows what kind of Lit Crit babble they'll have on Wiki's page for "transgendered" itself.
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                    • Elok standing up for dickgirls.
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                      • You're right. That lazy ****er Loin needs to man up and attend to his duties here. He speaks for the dickgirls, for the dickgirls have no tongues, or if they do they are stuck up each others' bungs, etc...
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                        • Originally posted by regexcellent View Post
                          This is so ****ing stupid.

                          Being transgendered isn't a mental illness because it's actually a physical illness? That's exactly like saying delirium isn't a mental illness, it's just that you're in the wrong reality. It's all a matter of perspective, see! The train's not moving on the tracks, the tracks are moving underneath it!

                          What the ****, that is so backwards. That there are actual people with actual qualifications saying such retarded bull**** speaks more to the meaningfulness of their qualifications more than it does reality.

                          We need to take all of the world's psychiatrists and put them through the Zyklon B showers. It's for the future of mankind.
                          what an appalling opinion to have.
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                          • What I find appalling is that actual licensed doctors are playing along with this ridiculous rejection of reality by deranged individuals.

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                            • A bigger question is why are the thumbs up smilies on poly left handed? Example: Clearly this is an example of left handed bias which even I, a left handed person, cannot abide.
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                              • Originally posted by Elok View Post
                                You're right. That lazy ****er Loin needs to man up and attend to his duties here. He speaks for the dickgirls, for the dickgirls have no tongues, or if they do they are stuck up each others' bungs, etc...
                                Dickgirls are hermaphrodites with two working sets of genitalia, whereas trannies are lucky if they have one working set of genitalia
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