If abortion was to be made illegal ....

[Ben Kenobi]

Fantastic posts, Loinburger!

[MrFun]

I also think that pregnant women should qualify for a child tax-break.

[MrFun]

What absurdity? I just said that none of the examples I gave are contradictory or obviously immoral or whatever.

If you're saying that the absurdity is that the "anti choice people" (please stop using this term, it makes you look stupid - let's stick with pro-choice and pro-life, none of this anti-choice or anti-life crap) ....

Anti-choice makes much more sense and is much more fair because a lot of pro-choice people would rather that a pregnant woman does not get an abortion. They just believe that they should not deny a woman's right to make her own health care decisions.

"Pro-life" is not something that only people who oppose abortion value.

[regexcellent]

MrFun, I'm sorry but I don't think you have the intellectual capacity necessary for this (admittedly relatively straightforward) discussion.

[giblets]

Anti-choice makes much more sense and is much more fair because a lot of pro-choice people would rather that a pregnant woman does not get an abortion. They just believe that they should not deny a woman's right to make her own health care decisions.

"Pro-life" is not something that only people who oppose abortion value.

Pro-life makes much more sense and is much more fair because a lot of pro-life people would rather a woman does have a choice. They just believe that they should not deny a fetus the right to live. Freedom to choose is not something that only people who want to legalize abortion value.

[Imran Siddiqui]

MrFun, I'm sorry but I don't think you have the intellectual capacity necessary for this (admittedly relatively straightforward) discussion.

Agreed.

[MrFun]

Agreed.

I'm just applying the "logic" of anti-choice people to other circumstances and situations. If an embryo or a fetus is a person ....

[giblets]

I'm just applying the "logic" of anti-choice people to other circumstances and situations. If an embryo or a fetus is a person ....

Yes, this is a natural corollary of the pro-life position because carpool lane eligibility is commonly considered an inalienable human right.

[Imran Siddiqui]

I'm just applying the "logic" of anti-choice people to other circumstances and situations. If an embryo or a fetus is a person ....

You are seriously the worst debater I've ever run into in my entire life.

[regexcellent]

At least when Ben does this sort of thing you get the sense that he's just being dishonest, instead of there being a genuine lack of understanding.

[Elok]

"If a fetus is really a person, why can't pregnant women play on a see-saw with their fetuses? Ha, I bet you didn't think of that, did you?"

[dannubis]

@ Reg: Yeah, it really depends on the subject when you are stupid by choice now, doesn't it mr pot.

[Elok]

I cannot remember Reg ever being this silly. I mean, neither Loin nor Gribbler is pro-life AFAIK. Reg can be very partisan, but conventionally so; he doesn't make arguments so dumb that his own side breaks ranks to make long posts explaining why he is wrong. Does he?

EDIT: Don't know where Imran stands on the issue.

[loinburger]

I'm just applying the "logic" of anti-choice people to other circumstances and situations. If an embryo or a fetus is a person ....

You just don't get it. Nobody is going to say "pregnant women using the carpool lane? That's crazy! Clearly this means that we should kill all of the fetuses."

[Ben Kenobi]

Clearly the solution is drive through sonograms!