The Zimmerman Trial

[kentonio]

he wouldn't have punched his lights out had he known Z was armed, but M wasn't afraid - he walked up behind Z and started asking questions.

And Z's first response was to inquire as to why M was there

thats not the question of a stalker, its what a concerned neighbor would ask

Wow, you really are extremely gullible. I look forward to the next time you're baying for blood over some case, so I can remind you that we should always just take the word of killers at face value.

[Egbert]

Ok, that makes sense - unarmed people that get killed by guns are actually commiting a crime and should be jailed for that - I mean thay are after all a danger to society.

If unarmed people stopped getting killed by guns that would certainly lower the death rate, including homicides.

[Berzerker]

Wow, you really are extremely gullible. I look forward to the next time you're baying for blood over some case, so I can remind you that we should always just take the word of killers at face value.

we dont have to take Z's word for it, M's GF was on the phone and she confirms it was Martin who saw the creepy ass cracker again and it was Martin who confronted him.

[Felch]

Leaving your car voids claims of self-defense? Approaching someone is aggressive? What the hell is wrong with British people?

[kentonio]

we dont have to take Z's word for it, M's GF was on the phone and she confirms it was Martin who saw the creepy ass cracker again and it was Martin who confronted him.

Interesting, so Martin decided to viciously attack Zimmerman while simultaneously talking to his girlfriend on the phone?

[Uncle Sparky]

we dont have to take Z's word for it, M's GF was on the phone and she confirms it was Martin who saw the creepy ass cracker again and it was Martin who confronted him.

So, if in an alternate universe, Martin pull his gun and shot to death his stalker, you would be cheering for a "not guilty" verdict for the hero Martin over the creepy Zimmerman?

[PLATO]

It is striking how many people did not really follow the evidence in this case. Even here among "educated" and "smart" people there are some arguing points that are not supported by the evidence.

There are plenty of examples of racism in this country (sadly)...but the evidence doesn't support that supposition in this case. There is more than enough reason for a jury to have "reasonable doubt" in this case.

Those wishing to make a statement on racism could certainly find a better example. Just sayin..

[kentonio]

It is striking how many people did not really follow the evidence in this case. Even here among "educated" and "smart" people there are some arguing points that are not supported by the evidence.

Such as?

There are plenty of examples of racism in this country (sadly)...but the evidence doesn't support that supposition in this case. There is more than enough reason for a jury to have "reasonable doubt" in this case.

Those wishing to make a statement on racism could certainly find a better example. Just sayin..

This case is smothered in racism, but personally I don't think it has very much at all to do with the actual participants. Was Zimmerman more suspicious of Martin because he was black? Maybe, but who knows really, GZ appears to have been weird and paranoid anyway.

There's an awful lot more transparent racism however in the large numbers of Americans who appear to be cheering over the death of a young black kid because he sounded a bit gangsta and wore a hoodie. Go delve into the thousands of comments that appeared on news sites throughout the trial, and then say this isn't about race to a lot of people.

[SlowwHand]

There was a protest in Dallas after the verdict. About 8 people participated. They were overshadowed by 2 similarly sized groups; one of Whites and one of Hispanics, both of which asking why the news media keeps calling Zimmerman white.

[Wezil]

What I find stunning is that a rich white kid from Virginia has no empathy or compassion for a young black kid who got shot for no damn reason.

Ok, that was a lie, that isn't stunning in the slightest.

His argument doesn't rest on racism. Yours does.

[Dinner]

Don't be ridiculous, the police can't just throw you in prison just because you can't prove that you're innocent.

Yes, they can. That's exactly what happened to hundreds of people in Gitmo.

[Dinner]

It's not clear to me that there was no reason. YOU are assuming that zimmerman just came along and shot this kid because he's black.

We already know that's true. Zimmerman said so "He's suspicious, he's black". That was right before the 911 police officer told him not to stalk the poor black kid but Zimmerman ignored her and instead ran off to go kill the poor kid.

[kentonio]

His argument doesn't rest on racism. Yours does.

You're claiming that racism plays no part in the chorus of screams from the right about this kid deserving to die? Seriously?

Just to be clear, I'm not claiming that's why HC is on that side, I just think he has absolutely no understanding of the difference between how blacks and whites are treated, which is why I posted that article earlier.

[Wezil]

HC points out the changes Ken is advocating will result in more minorities in jail and Ken's response is "You just don't care about the black kid!"

As someone said earlier - "unseemly".

[kentonio]

HC points out the changes Ken is advocating will result in more minorities in jail and Ken's response is "You just don't care about the black kid!"

As someone said earlier - "unseemly".

It was a crappy point in the first place. The idea that the US with its gargantuan prison population has less than 'stringent' laws is laughable, yet when it comes to a young black kid getting gunned down in the street suddenly the presumption is innocence all the way apparently.