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Today's SCOTUS ruling - Affirmative Action
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Yeah, well, it's been several decades since this grand experiment began. Blacks are still committing 55% of the murders despite making up 13% of the population. And not getting into Harvard is not an excuse to commit murder. Neither is being stupid or poor.
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Originally posted by Wiglaf View PostIt is so pathetic that you see college admissions as a legitimate way to "right" the wrong of slavery. Sorry your ancestors were enslaved and savaged..here, have an acceptance letter to a school you won't do well in! It's all better now, right? We'll even throw in some scholarship money! It's like your grandma was never even raped!
Affirmative Action is also not, directly, to "right a wrong"; it is to create an equity _today_. The problem is that the inequity of the 1960s and before led to the inequity of today; the lack of minorities in hiring positions, the lack of money in many black neighborhoods, etc., the crime rate, are all highly related to the lack of opportunity for minorities in the first half of the century. In some areas, that systemic inequity is still extant, and needs significant steps to correct. One of the most significant steps is to ensure minorities have substantial access to colleges, so that in the next decade or two you start seeing more college graduates and then more hiring managers who are minorities.<Reverend> IRC is just multiplayer notepad.
I like your SNOOPY POSTER! - While you Wait quote.
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How does not being able to vote or marry in any way contribute to consistently obtaining an extraordinarily substandard SAT or IQ score?
One of the most significant steps is to ensure minorities have substantial access to colleges
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Given the ridiculous incarceration and single-parenthood rates of black people in this country (and probably some other horrifying stuff I don't know about), I don't think AA is gonna accomplish a whole lot no matter how it's implemented. You've got a band-aid on a hemorrhage there.
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I don't know. We've seen the creation of a black middle class and even a black upper class of such an extent it would have been undreamable in the 1960's so I'd say improved access to education has had very real positive effects. That doesn't mean everything is roses and, yes, single parent households are a problem as they generally result in higher poverty rates. Now, part of that is cultural in the black community but I ask you how much of that part of black culture in America is the result of centuries of families being unwillingly broken up because one parent was sold "down river" thus creating a cycle of broken households? That's just part of a very complex equation and possibly not even the dominant part but it is undeniably a part and that part should be addressed and not ignored as it historically has been.Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.
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Given the ridiculous incarceration and single-parenthood rates of black people in this country (and probably some other horrifying stuff I don't know about), I don't think AA is gonna accomplish a whole lot no matter how it's implemented. You've got a band-aid on a hemorrhage there.
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Originally posted by Dinner View PostI don't know. We've seen the creation of a black middle class and even a black upper class of such an extent it would have been undreamable in the 1960's so I'd say improved access to education has had very real positive effects.
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Originally posted by Wiglaf View PostYeah, well, it's been several decades since this grand experiment began. Blacks are still committing 55% of the murders despite making up 13% of the population. And not getting into Harvard is not an excuse to commit murder. Neither is being stupid or poor.Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.
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Originally posted by Wiglaf View PostI too like to attribute things to other things without any evidence at allTry http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.
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The problem I have with that is that you are enforcing your faith on others.
How does my practice of Catholicism affect anyone else?
I have no problem with you choosing not to use contraception.
In essence, requiring me to buy contraception is no different than forcing me to use it because you are forcing me to pay for it upon penalty of law.
But you equate paying taxes to the government, who also pays for contraception in others
You are free to argue against it, but once it's a policy, live with it
You are trying to force all Americans to live by your faith (by denying government coverage).
You are saying that people should receive contraception free. That is your position is it not?
Further, this is not how the American political experiment works.
We separate our politics from the churches. That means not only "no prayer in schools"
more importantly policy is set by the government without explicit consideration of religion.
but it is certainly legitimate to support those who do wish contraceptionScouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
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Originally posted by Wiglaf View PostI love how you mention "incarceration rates" instead of "crime rates." Can't bring yourself to admit blacks have to commit crimes to go to jail, huh? Where did you go to school, Columbia?
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