Do our resident conservatives and republicans truly believe women are biologically suited to be barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen?

[ricketyclik]

Opposition to abortion isn't *picking and choosing*.

There is zero authority for the federal government per the constitution to provide taxpayer funding for abortion.

I think the Federal government should be required to actually obey the constitution of the United States.



Jesus said to disobey an unjust law.



Show me where I am required, by the constitution to provide funding for abortion and that abortion is required to be funded by the federal government.



I'm saying that the government has laws which restrict what the government can do. Those laws specifically exclude abusing the taxation power to fund abortion.



He specifically said, "render unto Caesar". Caesar has no authority in forcing a Christian to participate in abortion. That is God's domain, not Caesar's. We are explicitly not to render to Caesar that which is God's. Nor, participate in things which violate our freedom of conscience per the first amendment, and freedom of religion.



I believe the government should serve the people not the people the government. Actually, I'm playing the constitution as it is explicitly worded.

Sava's right. Pickin' and choosin'.

[Al B. Sure!]

Yes it is. Abortion is a very recent modern phenomenon.

What about really, really late-term abortions (ie- infanticide)?

The Qur'an specifically prohibits this:

"Come, I will rehearse what Allah hath (really) prohibited you from": Join not anything as equal with Him; be good to your parents; kill not your children on a plea of want;- We provide sustenance for you and for them;- come not nigh to shameful deeds. Whether open or secret; take not life, which Allah hath made sacred, except by way of justice and law: thus doth He command you, that ye may learn wisdom.

Surah 6:151

[kentonio]

You can't accuse Ben of being totally reliant on the bible. Early Walt Disney seems to have had an influence too.

"A moral philosophy build on the bible and Kevin Costner in The Bodyguard."

[Ben Kenobi]

I'll have to ask my nephew, but I believe we evolve into "Snorlax." Or possibly "Squirtle." Not sure.

The point being, there are predictions for how a star will change as it gets older. Evolution - makes no such predictions. Ergo the analogy fails.

[Ben Kenobi]

Sava's right. Pickin' and choosin'.

So let me see if I have it straight, both you and sava believe that christians should support abortion.

[Al B. Sure!]

The point being, there are predictions for how a star will change as it gets older. Evolution - makes no such predictions. Ergo the analogy fails.

Because it's ****ing random mutations in a too-complex and variable environment to predict! You'd have to predict the nature of and frequency of random mutations and how they affect the reproductive capabilities of organisms in the chaos of nature.

In comparison, a star follows relatively simple chemical laws.

[Tupac Shakur]

In comparison, a star follows relatively simple chemical laws.

I'm no astrophysicist, but I'm pretty sure this is horse****.

[Hauldren Collider]

I'm no astrophysicist, but I'm pretty sure this is horse****.

I wouldn't call it simple, and stellar evolution is far from fully understood, but the basic things we use to identify stars are in fact relatively simple. With spectroscopy we can determine the elemental composition of the star (which tells us its age) and also its Doppler shift, which allows us to determine its relative velocity. Distance is a lot trickier. If the star is relatively close to the Earth, we use parallax. Otherwise we have to use a variety of other tricks, generally involving luminosity.

[ricketyclik]

So let me see if I have it straight, both you and sava believe that christians should support abortion.

Not speaking for Sava, but abortion is usually the compassionate option for the woman seriously considering it, and one of the central precepts of Christianity is compassion.

[DinoDoc]

Not speaking for Sava, but abortion is usually the compassionate option for the woman seriously considering it, and one of the central precepts of Christianity is compassion.

Given that Ben is a Roman Catholic: 2270. Human life must be respected and protected absolutely from the moment of conception. From the first moment of his existence, a human being must be recognized as having the rights of a person - among which is the inviolable right of every innocent being to life.

2271. Since the first century the Church has affirmed the moral evil of every procured abortion. This teaching has not changed and remains unchangeable. Direct abortion, that is to say, abortion willed either as an end or a means, is gravely contrary to the moral law.
From Catechism of the Catholic Church, (c) 1994, United States Catholic Conference, Inc., http://www.nccbuscc.org/catechism/text/index.htm

[Aeson]

The point being, there are predictions for how a star will change as it gets older. Evolution - makes no such predictions. Ergo the analogy fails.

Actually there are predictions we can make based on our understanding of evolution. Length of the jaw and wisdom teeth for instance are trends in human evolution that have lead to predictions and are readily observable over time.

In laboratories we can easily see the effects that changing environmental factors will have on various organisms. We can make predictions about how changing genes will affect the organism, and then observe the actual effects of the changes made.

More importantly, understanding the factors that evolution works off of has allowed us to feed more people, and do so more efficiently. It is beginning to show promise towards preventing and curing diseases.

[Ben Kenobi]

Not speaking for Sava, but abortion is usually the compassionate option for the woman seriously considering it, and one of the central precepts of Christianity is compassion.

Christianity teaches that there are two people involved. Mother and child. It's not compassionate to kill one person for the convenience of the other.

[Ben Kenobi]

Actually there are predictions we can make based on our understanding of evolution. Length of the jaw and wisdom teeth for instance are trends in human evolution that have lead to predictions and are readily observable over time.

The problem is that you're at the stage where the only star you can see and understand to be a star is the sun.

Astronomers have the whole picture - because that's how light works. They can see all the different stages. Evolution doesn't work that way. Not only do we not understand the mechanism wrt mutations - we also don't understand the direction because we can't step outside of things and see what's going to happen.

The analogy would be being able to observe other planets in different stages. I hope you can see my point here. When you know where other things have headed, you can better predict what will happen at home.

More importantly, understanding the factors that evolution works off of has allowed us to feed more people, and do so more efficiently. It is beginning to show promise towards preventing and curing diseases.

It's not evolution that's responsible for that, it's genetics. You're assuming that understanding of genetics = confirmation of the theory of evolution, but that's not the case. The actual theory makes not a single mention of genes.

[Kidlicious]

You're asking me what I think?

"For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior."

I also think this:

"Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her."

I should be willing to die for my wife if necessary.

You are suppose to die for any Christian.

[Kidlicious]

I believe that a husband should lay his wife down for his life. I've seen and read about plenty of examples where a husband did just that - laid his life down so that the woman he loved would survive. I've always on some sense believed this is what true love means, long before I ever became a Christian. If I had to sit down and point to a teaching that convinced me that Christ was the real deal - the teaching here that a husband should be willing to die for his wife would be very high on that list.

You aren't a Christian. You're a beta-male.