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  • #76
    Originally posted by The Mad Monk View Post
    Sorry Sava, I want the real deal on this one.

    I have no knowledge of Railtrack. What sorts of things happened?

    There's a decent summary on the Wiki article-



    The fatal accidents at Southall in 1997[4] and Ladbroke Grove in 1999[5] called into question the effect that the fragmentation of the railway network had had on both safety and maintenance procedures.
    In February 1999 the company launched a bond issue which caused a significant fall in Railtrack's share price.[6]
    Railtrack was severely criticised for both its performance in improving the railway infrastructure and for its safety record. Between its creation and late 1998, the company had a relatively calm relationship with its first economic regulator, John Swift QC, whose strategy was to encourage Railtrack to make commitments to improvement.[7] But critics said that the regulator was not tough enough and that the company had, as a result, been able to abuse its monopoly position. In particular, its customers, the passenger and freight train operators, were desperate for regulatory action to force the company to improve its stewardship of the network and its performance. Swift had been appointed rail regulator in 1993 by the then Conservative transport secretary John MacGregor MP. When the Labour government took over after the general election in May 1997, the new transport secretary (and deputy prime minister) John Prescott took a much harder line. When Swift's five-year term of office expired on 30 November 1998, he was not reappointed.[8] After an interim holding period, during which Chris Bolt, Swift's chief economic adviser and effective deputy, filled the regulator's position, in July 1999 a new rail regulator began a five-year term, and a new, much tougher regulatory era began.[9]
    The new rail regulator, Tom Winsor, had been Swift's general counsel (1993–95), and adopted a more interventionist and aggressive regulatory approach.[10] At times the relationship was stormy, with Railtrack resisting pressure to improve its performance. In April 2000 it was reported in the Guardian that "Railtrack is adopting a deliberate 'culture of defiance' against the rail regulator".[11] Gerald Corbett, Railtrack's chief executive at the time, and Winsor clearly saw things very differently to each other. Railtrack resisted regulatory action to improve its performance, and as the regulator probed ever more deeply, serious shortcomings in the company's stewardship of the network were revealed.[12]
    It was the Hatfield crash on 17 October 2000 that proved to be the defining moment in Railtrack's collapse.[13] The subsequent major repairs undertaken across the whole British rail network are estimated to have cost in the order of £580 million. According to Christian Wolmar, author of On the Wrong Line, the Railtrack board panicked in the wake of Hatfield.[14] Because most of the engineering skill of British Rail had been sold off into the maintenance and renewal companies, Railtrack had no idea how many Hatfields were waiting to happen, nor did they have any way of assessing the consequence of the speed restrictions they were ordering - restrictions that brought the railway network to all but a standstill.[15]
    Regulatory and customer pressure had been increasing, and the company's share price began to fall sharply as it became apparent that there were serious shortcomings in the company's ability to tackle and solve its greatest problems.[16]
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    • #77
      Originally posted by DinoDoc View Post
      I'm not overly familiar with the situation but I thought the privatization of the British Railways happened in 1993 under John Major.

      This is a generic point about the privatisation experience. However, the rail privatisation was already planned under Thatcher.
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      • #78
        Ah, OK. Fair point.
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        • #79
          Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
          RIP

          I don't think Reagan could have won the cold war without her.
          Reagan didn't win ****. Where the hell do these stupid kids get this stuff?
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          • #80
            Ronnie Reagan won the Cold War and beat the godless commies, and if you didn't just regurgitate what the Lefty Powers That Be told you to, you'd realize it.
            If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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            • #81
              Originally posted by Dinner View Post
              That's not even remotely true. Many of her moves, like closing down the coal mines instead of ever even trying to modernize them, was 100% designed to kill a union which opposed her. She frequently did that, took actions which harmed the countries economy but which under mined her opposition so she did it any way.
              Look up Three Day Week in the 1970s. Followed by Winter of Discontent.
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              • #82
                Originally posted by Dinner View Post
                Reagan didn't win ****. Where the hell do these stupid kids get this stuff?
                trololol
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                • #83
                  Followed by Orgreave Coking works, and the Battle of the Beanfield.
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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by molly bloom View Post
                    Yes, like the Poll Tax. Being unwilling to listen to good advice and ploughing on regardless is not always an admirable trait.
                    That sounds straight out of the Republican play book. Poor people aren't voting for us because we keep screwing them over? OK, make it so they can't vote.
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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by Sava View Post
                      I don't think H-dub needed anyone to tell him to grab the Muslim's oil.
                      I'm talking about Britain's empire and how they played games in the ME to keep Muslims busy while they grabbed their oil, Maggie got Bush stuck with that mess and 9/11 and the war on terror was the result

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                      • #86
                        Oh, no this is terrible.

                        RIP Maggie. You'll be missed.
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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by Dinner View Post
                          That sounds straight out of the Republican play book. Poor people aren't voting for us because we keep screwing them over? OK, make it so they can't vote.
                          It wasn't that kind of Poll Tax.

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                          • #88
                            DP

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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by Sava View Post
                              trololol
                              Hell, Reagan wasn't even the President when the USSR fell apart and it happened because of the USSR's own internal problems. In no way, shape, or form did Reagan "win" the cold war. That's just bull**** straight out of the right wing alternate universe and I doubt HC was even alive when there was a USSR. Further bull**** was Reg claiming Thatcher "brought Britain back from the brink". I had/have loads of family who lived in Britain in the 20's-70's and I spent most summers in the 80's in Britain and I can tell you that not only was Britain not on the brink (though there was a shift in traditional business due to the lose of traditional markets due to decolonization) but that many of her policies made matters worse. Especially in Scotland and northern England and worse they were designed to do so because she believed doing anything to hurt the opposition, including deliberately destroying whole industries, was politically good for her even if they were terrible for the country as a whole.
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                              • #90
                                Originally posted by Berzerker View Post
                                I'm talking about Britain's empire and how they played games in the ME to keep Muslims busy while they grabbed their oil, Maggie got Bush stuck with that mess and 9/11 and the war on terror was the result
                                Yes. I know what you are referring to. Bush didn't need Maggie to tell him anything. He's an oil man. Britain's history in the region is largely irrelevant with regards to American policy. Things might have unfolded differently otherwise... but it's not like America would have gone into an isolationist shell if Thatcher wasn't around.
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