Christopher Dorner

[Hauldren Collider]

That honestly looks cruel.

[MichaeltheGreat]

ADX Florence is federal. Dorner hasn't (based on news reports so far) violated federal law, and if he has, it's just at the level of interstate transportion, unlawful flight, etc. - not far enough up the federal sentencing guidelines to get him past a level 4 facility, so they'd just kick him to California.

[MichaeltheGreat]

That honestly looks cruel.

People like Kaczynski, Moussaoui, Rudolph, etc. go there. Sorry, can't shed a tear for them.

[DinoDoc]

ADX Florence is federal. Dorner hasn't (based on news reports so far) violated federal law, and if he has, it's just at the level of interstate transportion, unlawful flight, etc. - not far enough up the federal sentencing guidelines to get him past a level 4 facility, so they'd just kick him to California.

Pretty sure Pelican bay isn't that much better. Not that I give a **** what the conditions he ends up in if the police show enough restraint to avoid killing him.

[Uncle Sparky]

That honestly looks cruel.

Religious programming? That would be cruel and unusual punishment for an athiest.

[Tuberski]

MtG - I am not his psychologist, I don't know if he's truly mentally ill. But it seems to me like it's pretty likely - and if it isn't by the current definition, then that definition may need reconsideration. His actions look like those of a person who's been broken by circumstance. The difference between an ******* who murders for fun or profit, and even folks like the crazy Norse guy or the kids at Columbine, and a guy like Dorner seem self-evident to me. Something's wrong in his head such that he feels like he has to react like this. I don't think he's a coward, or an evil person. I think he's messed up.

As Al said, the really important takeaway here - more so than the LAPD being corrupt or anything else - is, why does this happen? What makes a guy snap like this? And, once we figure that out, how can we use that knowledge to prevent this from happening in the future?

Plato, nobody (at least nobody here) is saying his crimes are or can be justified. His crimes are horrible, and he'll ultimately spend the rest of his life in jail for this assuming he's not killed first, and he should. "Sympathize", again, does not mean agree with; it means understand on an emotional level. I sympathize with my wife wanting to strangle me when I'm being difficult; I don't agree with her.

He sounds exactly like the kids at Columbine, he feels he was abused and he's taken it out on innocent people.

There isn't any "good" here.

ACK!

[MRT144]

That honestly looks cruel.

How anyone avoids serious depression and self harm in one of those cells is amazing.

[snoopy369]

He sounds exactly like the kids at Columbine, he feels he was abused and he's taken it out on innocent people.

There isn't any "good" here.

ACK!

There is no good here. Nobody is claiming there is good here. Why do you all keep saying that as if I were arguing there is???

He's not like the kids at Columbine in any way. The kids at columbine were basically teenagers having teenager problems that every one of us has. This guy literally had his life destroyed because he did the right thing. That is a major psychologically damaging event. Comparing that to some kids who were upset because they were shunned by the cool kids at high school is absurd.

[DinoDoc]

This guy literally had his life destroyed because he did the right thing. That is a major psychologically damaging event. Comparing that to some kids who were upset because they were shunned by the cool kids at high school is absurd.

Why are we assuming these charges are based in fact given the fact that this was investigated in the past and he has a history of making false allegations from his academy days? I believe the conculsion Internal Affairs came to was that his supervisor had warned him he wasn't performing well, and he wanted to get her in trouble.

[PLATO]

Bring out the drones:

Are police using drones in the manhunt for Christopher Dorner?

According to a report by a British newspaper, they are. On Sunday, the Express quoted a "senior police source" who said the "thermal imaging cameras the drones use may be our only hope of finding him—on the ground, it's like looking for a needle in a haystack."

Dorner, the 33-year-old former naval and LAPD officer turned triple-murder suspect, has been at the center of a massive manhunt stretching from the San Bernadino Mountains—where his burned-out pickup truck was found last week—to the Mexican border.

In a manifesto posted online earlier this month, Dorner promised "unconventional and asymmetrical warfare" against the LAPD, which fired him in 2008. On Saturday, actor Charlie Sheen—who was mentioned in Dorner's online manifesto—released a video pleading with the accused killer to call him.

According to the paper, a pair of cryptic statements by law enforcement and U.S. Border Patrol officials back their source's drone claim.

“We are using all the tools at our disposal," Riverside Police Chief Sergio Diaz responded when asked if drones were being used in the hunt for Dorner.

Ralph DeSio, a spokesman for the U.S. Customs and Border Patrol, added: "This agency has been at the forefront of domestic use of drones by law enforcement. That’s all I can say at the moment.”

As Gizmodo.com noted, it wouldn't be the first time drones were used in tracking fugitives on U.S. soil.

From Time:


In June 2011 a county sheriff in North Dakota was trying to track down three men, possibly carrying guns, in connection with some missing cows. He had a lot of ground to cover, so—as one does—he called in a Predator drone from a local Air Force base. It not only spotted the men but could see that they were in fact unarmed. It was the first time a Predator had been involved in the arrest of U.S. citizens.

But it would come at a time when U.S. drone use--both domestically and abroad--under President Barack Obama has come under increased scrutiny. Last week, Sen. Bob Corker, the top Republican on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, told Yahoo News that the White House's deadly drone war against suspected extremists, including Americans overseas, may not be legal.

On Saturday, police conducted a door-to-door search for Dorner in Big Bear Lake, Calif., but snowfall hampered their efforts in the surrounding mountains.

On Sunday in Los Angeles, an increased police presence was seen at the Grammy Awards, which some thought Dorner might target. In Northridge, Calif., a home improvement store was evacuated after a report of a possible Dorner sighting, hours after the LAPD announced a $1 million reward for information leading to his arrest.

"This is the largest local reward ever offered, to our knowledge," Los Angeles Police Chief Charlie Beck said at a news conference. "This is an act of domestic terrorism. This is a man who has targeted those that we entrust to protect the public. His actions cannot go unanswered."

Meanwhile, the U.S. Border Patrol has stepped up security, screening vehicles to prevent Dorner from fleeing the country into Tijuana.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/dorner-drone-manhunt-192403607.html

[PLATO]

Double Post

[PLATO]

ADX Florence is federal. Dorner hasn't (based on news reports so far) violated federal law, and if he has, it's just at the level of interstate transportion, unlawful flight, etc. - not far enough up the federal sentencing guidelines to get him past a level 4 facility, so they'd just kick him to California.

Unless of course Homeland Security gets involved and he is declared a domestic terrorist....

[snoopy369]

Why are we assuming these charges are based in fact given the fact that this was investigated in the past and he has a history of making false allegations from his academy days? I believe the conculsion Internal Affairs came to was that his supervisor had warned him he wasn't performing well, and he wanted to get her in trouble.

Because it's LAPD... It's entirely possible you're correct, but that doesn't diminish the fact that he's probably mentally ill. Just adjusts him a little more towards actually crazy rather than just depressed and stressed to the extreme.

[PLATO]

Because it's LAPD... It's entirely possible you're correct, but that doesn't diminish the fact that he's probably mentally ill. Just adjusts him a little more towards actually crazy rather than just depressed and stressed to the extreme.

According to LAPD "Extreme Stress" seems to be an allowable reason to shoot innocent people.

[DinoDoc]

Because it's LAPD... It's entirely possible you're correct, but that doesn't diminish the fact that he's probably mentally ill. Just adjusts him a little more towards actually crazy rather than just depressed and stressed to the extreme.

Because it's the LAPD we should give credence to the claims of murderers regarding previously adjudicated matters seeking to given an excuse for their actions? Based on what evidence should we give a proven liar this much credibility?