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  • #196
    Originally posted by regexcellent View Post
    I'm just refusing to play along with transsexuals' fantasies about their sex.
    Why? Why do you care? Either you're right, and you're just being sort of mean to them, or you're wrong, and you're actually being really mean to them and damaging their psyche. Why is either of those options a good choice? Just "play along", as you say. That's largely what being an adult means - not pushing your personal worldview on everyone, and playing along with whatever they think so long as it doesn't really hurt you.

    Isn't that the Libertarian mindset, after all? Don't tell other people what to think/do unless it specifically hurts you? So why not be Libertarian here?
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    • #197
      Originally posted by snoopy369 View Post
      Your language gives you away, I'd say.
      I'm sorry, what? Are you questioning his declaration that retarded is synonymous with stupid?
      If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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      • #198
        Originally posted by gribbler View Post
        Hating on transpeople has nothing to do with "questioning gender stereotypes".
        I don't think you even understand me. I don't hate them. I don't have anything against them. I think they're perfectly free to insist on whatever fantasies they like. I just don't feel like accommodating them.
        If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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        • #199
          Originally posted by snoopy369 View Post
          Why? Why do you care?
          Is accuracy no longer a value we wish to encourage?
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          • #200
            Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
            I'm sorry, what? Are you questioning his declaration that retarded is synonymous with stupid?
            I'm suggesting several things, one of which is that, yes. "Retarded" is not synonymous with "stupid", by its proper definition (perhaps in its current usage, but its current usage is generally considered synonymous with the user being bigoted and/or immature).
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            • #201
              Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
              I don't think you even understand me. I don't hate them. I don't have anything against them. I think they're perfectly free to insist on whatever fantasies they like. I just don't feel like accommodating them.
              You're not 'accomodating [sic]'. You instead are judging them (saying you think they are wrong about something you know little to nothing about, and is very central to their being, at least in their minds), and being hurtful towards them. Simple politeness is beyond you, as it is apparently beyond several people here.
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              • #202
                Originally posted by snoopy369 View Post
                I'm suggesting several things, one of which is that, yes. "Retarded" is not synonymous with "stupid", by its proper definition (perhaps in its current usage, but its current usage is generally considered synonymous with the user being bigoted and/or immature).
                Saying retarded is not synonymous with stupid is just quibbling over technical definitions in psychology. They mean the same damn thing, it's just that one has taken on a slightly more caustic tone than the other. Ironically, "******/retarded" used to be the polite term. They keep coming up with new ones, like "learns differently", and people keep recognizing that no matter how much you butter it up, it's never a positive trait to be "developmentally disabled".

                Note, because I'm sure you'll accuse me of this, I don't have anything against stupid people or retarded people. Not a thing at all. I'm also not going to pretend that they are as capable as someone who lacks their condition.
                If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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                • #203
                  Originally posted by DinoDoc View Post
                  Is accuracy no longer a value we wish to encourage?
                  No, not really. The accuracy of the words "sir" and "ma'am" (or boy/girl or whatever) is pretty much unimportant unless you're looking for a mate, or doing surgery. Beyond that it's simple social custom, which cares little for accuracy. You don't walk up to people and say "Hi, stupid person, how are you?" even if the person is indeed substantially less smart than you, do you?
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                  • #204
                    Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
                    Saying retarded is not synonymous with stupid is just quibbling over technical definitions in psychology. They mean the same damn thing, it's just that one has taken on a slightly more caustic tone than the other. Ironically, "******/retarded" used to be the polite term. They keep coming up with new ones, like "learns differently".
                    That's actually not true. "Retarded" in the technical definition means that someone has an actual disability, ie, it is harder for them to learn (at a minimum). "Stupid" means (again, technically) someone is not very smart. In many cases, you can have a learning disability and still be quite smart - you just have to work harder for it.

                    So, try to explain away your bigoted language again, perhaps?
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                    • #205
                      Originally posted by snoopy369 View Post
                      No, not really. The accuracy of the words "sir" and "ma'am" (or boy/girl or whatever) is pretty much unimportant unless you're looking for a mate, or doing surgery.
                      What's the value in referring to someone as something they objectively aren't?
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                      • #206
                        By the way, I think we do them a disservice by pretending what they have isn't actually a mental illness.
                        If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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                        • #207
                          Originally posted by snoopy369 View Post
                          That's actually not true. "Retarded" in the technical definition means that someone has an actual disability, ie, it is harder for them to learn (at a minimum). "Stupid" means (again, technically) someone is not very smart. In many cases, you can have a learning disability and still be quite smart - you just have to work harder for it.

                          So, try to explain away your bigoted language again, perhaps?
                          Mentally retarded people have an IQ below 70. THAT MEANS THAT THEY ARE STUPID.

                          The term was invented on the euphemism treadmill as various other terms for the condition of not being intelligent were developed to have less demeaning connotations. The problem is that fundamentally you're talking about a very undesirable quality so no matter what word you use to describe it it's going to have a bad meaning associated with it.

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                          • #208
                            Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
                            By the way, I think we do them a disservice by pretending what they have isn't actually a mental illness.
                            Yes HC, I'm totally sure you know what's best for them better than they do.

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                            • #209
                              Originally posted by regexcellent View Post
                              Mentally retarded people have an IQ below 70. THAT MEANS THAT THEY ARE STUPID.
                              No it doesn't unless you're going into Heraclitus mode and claiming half of the population of Africa is retarded and stupid.

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                              • #210
                                WTF? IQ testing has some cultural biases, but I doubt that half of Africa is clocking in below 70.
                                John Brown did nothing wrong.

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