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Originally posted by kentonio View PostYou are a spoilt little rich kid. The difference between you and a school leaver with no financial backing from their parents is literally worlds apart.If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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Originally posted by kentonio View PostUK Minimum wage was introduced in April 1999. The unemployment rate at the time was 1.77m. It then pretty much steadily held/fell to a low of 1.4m in Sept 2004. It then rose slightly before rising high with the financial crisis. Here's a BBC interactive chart showing you are wrong (yet again).
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10604117
In the US, minimum wage is essentially meaningless. Almost no one gets paid minimum wage--even I got slightly higher than it (by about 25 cents an hour) when I worked as a bag boy at a grocery store.If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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I Think there is good reason to ban unpaid internships.
They are only something that the wealthy can afford (I couldn't, for example, although I got paid ones) and so give an advantage to coming from a wealthy background instead of a middleclass or poor.
JMJon Miller-
I AM.CANADIAN
GENERATION 35: The first time you see this, copy it into your sig on any forum and add 1 to the generation. Social experiment.
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Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View PostThis is bull****.
(i have provided a lot of evidence about the UK minimum wage in previous threads on this subject.)
That was why I got a summer job. The experience was far more valuable than the money. The money was nice, and I suspect most of my peers work for the money, but that doesn't change the fact that the training aspect is vastly more valuable.
i think you'll find that most people value the pay cheque more than the 'values' they get from flipping burgers or whatever.
I can tell you that the unpaid internships in the DC area are exactly as Zevico is describing."The Christian way has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found to be hard and left untried" - GK Chesterton.
"The most obvious predicition about the future is that it will be mostly like the past" - Alain de Botton
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Originally posted by Jon Miller View PostI Think there is good reason to ban unpaid internships.
They are only something that the wealthy can afford (I couldn't, for example, although I got paid ones) and so give an advantage to coming from a wealthy background instead of a middleclass or poor.
JM
We should ban all things that give the wealthy an advantage over the poor!
"YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO WORK FOR FREE!"Ridiculous.
If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View PostI won't speak for the rest of the world, but in the US, if you are underpaid, you can always leave your job to find one that pays you properly. If you can't, then you aren't actually being underpaid. Market forces.
This is probably the 100th time this very concept, and in fact this very example, has been explained to you on this forum.
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Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View PostAnd you think the minimum wage was the primary cause of these unemployment figures? Minimum wage laws in the UK and US are weak enough to have only small effects on the margins, almost exclusively among teenagers. Your post proves nothing.
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Originally posted by C0ckney View Postas jon pointed out, many people work minimum wage jobs to put food on the table, clothes on their backs and a roof over their heads. this is far more valuable than some nebulous idea of values.If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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Originally posted by kentonio View PostWhat are you talking about? C0ckney said that minimum wage has minimal effect on unemployment to which you called 'Bull****'. You're now saying that he was right?If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View PostA minimum wage law will have massive effects on unemployment if it is actually higher than the bottom tier wages. Most minimum wage laws with serious effects are actually mandated benefits, a great example being Obamacare.
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Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View PostThere's nothing nebulous about saying "you work for a year at burger king, and having that on your resume will help you get a professional job when you graduate high school".
You do realize that the vast majority of minimum wage workers are grown ups who are feeding families, not just high school kids making money to go out drinking with right?
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Actually, if the population is at or near full employment, I expect minimum wage can move some 'wealth' from the capitalists to the poor, with minimal effect on unemployment.
JMJon Miller-
I AM.CANADIAN
GENERATION 35: The first time you see this, copy it into your sig on any forum and add 1 to the generation. Social experiment.
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Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View PostAahahahahaha
We should ban all things that give the wealthy an advantage over the poor!
"YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO WORK FOR FREE!"Ridiculous.
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Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View PostThere's nothing nebulous about saying "you work for a year at burger king, and having that on your resume will help you get a professional job when you graduate high school".
Fact is that most minimum wage jobs are for youths. For youths this means instilling values like hard work and reliability. That's more valuable than the actual paycheck.
if zevico had said something like what you said above, then i would have had less of a problem with it. excepting the point that jon made."The Christian way has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found to be hard and left untried" - GK Chesterton.
"The most obvious predicition about the future is that it will be mostly like the past" - Alain de Botton
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