US freedom fighters exercise 2nd amendment rights, kill 6 tyrants trying to take away freedom

[Al B. Sure!]

Why are we having this EXACT same debate again in this thread to go along with the one in the Aurora shooting thread?

I came in here expecting to see Ben talking about how Sikhs are heathens or something or still denying that Christian terrorism exists.

[Wezil]

We could use a US Mass Shootings subforum.

[Uncle Sparky]

The man responsible for the shooting was know to police and had threatened Sikhs before. So, not a terrorist, but a bigot. Or are all bigots now terrorists? Are the Chick-fil-a phones tapped? How about FOXNews?

[BlackCat]

It has nothing to do with guns. It has to do with restricting something--anything--to a particular class of people based on what they say. The fact that the thing in question is guns is irrelevant.

But you do that all the time - rich people says that they don't want to pay taxes, and it get reduced - poor people says the same and it'll probably be raised.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

MrFun, we aren't blind. We saw that the first time you posted it, and it hasn't gotten any more poignant.

Poignant?? Was I supposed to have a tear in my eye when I read it? ( I mean I did afterall, but it was more from the wince factor than some heartfelt emotion) Perhaps provacative, intriguing, or stimulating was what you were going for.

[Docfeelgood]

Hard to understand why some people do the things that they do.

[Uncle Sparky]

...Page, Edwards said, was forty years old, and had served in the military from 1992 to 1998, before being discharged in a way that led him to be ineligible for reënlistment. “He was the only shooter in the temple”—he was alone that day; but he doesn’t seem to have been entirely a loner, in the sense of being unattached to any group or ideological movement. His name was known to the Southern Poverty Law Center, which published a picture of Page wearing what seem to be suspenders with a confederate-flag pattern and standing in front of Nazi iconography, and identified him as the lead singer in a band called End Apathy, associated with the white-supremacist scene. (“So the shooter was ‘one of us’?” a commenter on Stormfront, a white-supremacist Web site, wrote. “This is not looking good!”) He was also, according to an interview with the record label (the S.P.L.C. has a link, but it seems to have been taken down) involved with bands called Youngland and “Celtic Warrior, Radikahl, Max Resist, Intimidation One, Aggressive Force, Blue Eyed Devils.”

One can also see a tattoo in the picture: a Celtic cross, with a “14”—a number that, according to the Anti-Defamation League, is also a white-supremacist symbol that refers to a fourteen-word slogan: “We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children.” The number and cross weren’t the only writing on Page’s body: according to the Journal Sentinel, his North Carolina gun permit—he owned a nine-millimetre pistol, apparently legally—also mentioned “lettering on his hands, a Celtic knot on his back and fire on his leg.” Many in the temple had mentioned a 9/11 tattoo, and a neighbor that the Journal-Sentinel spoke to, a fourteen-year-old named Amber Young, confirmed that:



“He was walking his dog and it was right there,” she said pointing to her own upper right arm.

The tattoo said, “9/11” and “had a bunch of descriptions and stuff.”


There is, one should say, nothing wrong with 9/11 tattoos, broadly defined. Many New York firemen have them, for example; some are in memory of a colleague or friend who died, or are tributes to a skyline that was beautiful and shouldn’t be forgotten—proper gestures and letters of love, written on the body, not hate mail. Wade Page’s corpse is in the hands of authorities, and they will, in addition to going through his apartment and whatever computer he had, be reading what he wrote on himself. His motives and passions aren’t completely clear yet, though they are getting a lot clearer. But there is also something tragic about the misappropriation of the legacy of September 11th—and all of the acts that it has been invoked to justify. If innocent people in a temple, preparing a community meal, see a man with a 9/11 tattoo and are frightened by it, then perhaps there has been a broader, national failure to live up to our commitment to honor those victims. We should talk about and respond to September 11th in such a way that the sight of a man with a 9/11 tattoo would make anyone feel safe, not threatened. We haven’t yet.

Instead, eleven years later, the authorities in Oak Creek, despite the assurances that Page was the only shooter, are looking for a second man, a “person of interest” who was in the crowd around the temple. He seemed to be filming people; he also had a 9/11 tattoo. There is also the troubling talk of how attacking Sikhs was a “mistake”—as if attacking Muslims would be less absurd or wrong.

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blog...11-tattoo.html

If you don't feel like talking about guns, here are two other topics.

I was unaware that 9/11 tattoos actually frighten minorities. We know Bush/Cheney used 9/11 as an excuse to launch questionable wars themselves, but was part of the deal to terrorize Americans of Asian descent?

How many times do you have to say "Ragheags must die" and how many racist blogs, videos, tattoos etc. before you are jailed? It seems in the other Colorado thread it was mentioned that psychiatrists must inform police if someone has thoughts of killing people, but what if such threats are yelled out in public? 1st amendment?

[Elok]

Has anyone said RIP or otherwise expressed regrets for the six people who died here? That probably should have come first. Also, Sikhism is a pretty cool religion.

Now, I could probably stand to detox from accumulated snottiness, so peace out till the end of the Dormition Fast on the sixteenth.

[Al B. Sure!]

I was unaware that 9/11 tattoos actually frighten minorities.

That's because they don't. That may change now with this incident. That's what the article you quoted was implying.

How many times do you have to say "Ragheags must die" and how many racist blogs, videos, tattoos etc. before you are jailed? It seems in the other Colorado thread it was mentioned that psychiatrists must inform police if someone has thoughts of killing people, but what if such threats are yelled out in public? 1st amendment?

Free speech.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Without naming names there have been poster(s) on these boards who have often referred to folks of middle eastern and south of the US border descent in various disparaging ways. I am not in favor of their incarceration however.

[Al B. Sure!]

Without naming names there have been poster(s) on these boards who have often referred to folks of middle eastern and south of the US border descent in various disparaging ways. I am not in favor of their incarceration however.

A poster who, like this shooter, was also in the Army in Psychological Operations...

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

The point being of course they have a right to express themselves.

[MOBIUS]

Another victory for the second amendment. A woman with a history of depression went out and bought a handgun, then shot her kids and then herself with it.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1741016.html

Well, I have to say that someone called Mitch Murch III deserves to die. I guess the other kid was collateral damage, but that's guns for ya...

Oh yeah, laughs at America again...

[MOBIUS]

I didn't think any of the victims would be reading this site.

It was directly aimed at people who think every American should be able to buy guns and that shooting guns is fun.

Little rich WASPs with tiny penises...

[Hauldren Collider]

A poster who, like this shooter, was also in the Army in Psychological Operations...

That's actually a hilarious coincidence.