US freedom fighters exercise 2nd amendment rights, kill 6 tyrants trying to take away freedom

[Lonestar]

You mean like the file the FBI already had on this guy? This isn't about starting some massive surveillance operation (you've had that for decades anyway), it's about dealing with the people who law enforcement know to be dangerous to stop them hurting other people. As long as anyone can appeal those decisions to a court, I don't see what the problem is.

The FBI has a file on every ex member of the military, even if it's just a copy of the SF86.

[Felch]

Brits swapped guns, free speech, and due process for health care, libel tourism and Diplock courts. Panem et circenses, all around!

[kentonio]

The FBI had a file on Martin Luther King, Jr. He was under constant surveillance and had these so called "red flags." Ted Kennedy iirc was on the no fly list.

You are an idiot.

The reason you are a moron (well one reason anyway), is because you equate any mention of the authorities/government etc with some hostile organization which cannot be trusted to act in the American interest. The reason this makes you a moron, is because these authorities are nothing more than representations of the American people. If they are not representing the interests of the US public, then the focus should be on asking why and working towards finding ways to solve this. The problem of course is that this requires work and effort, which are increasingly things that Americans refuse to partake of. Instead like a true jackass you find it easier to make devil eyes at anything establishment and ignore the vast public good that can be achieved by society working together towards common goals.

Enjoy living in an increasingly dystopian, backwards country while the rest of us stand outside looking on in bewildered wonder, like visitors to a zoo.

[kentonio]

Brits swapped guns, free speech, and due process for health care, libel tourism and Diplock courts. Panem et circenses, all around!

Really? I feel pretty free to call the government a bunch of ****ing idiots any time I choose, and it seems a little rich being lecturered by an American on due process when you recently passed legislation to indefinitely detain suspects without trial.

[Felch]

Let me get this straight.

Gun-free society working together towards common goals:



Heavily armed, increasingly dystopian, backwards country:

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The FBI has a file on every ex member of the military, even if it's just a copy of the SF86.

It has a file on me. It even has my fingerprints! Obviously I should not be allowed to own guns.

[Felch]

Really? I feel pretty free to call the government a bunch of ****ing idiots any time I choose, and it seems a little rich being lecturered by an American on due process when you recently passed legislation to indefinitely detain suspects without trial.

The separation of powers dealt with that problem nicely.

Written Constitution, FTW!

[regexcellent]

The reason you are a moron (well one reason anyway), is because you equate any mention of the authorities/government etc with some hostile organization which cannot be trusted to act in the American interest. The reason this makes you a moron, is because these authorities are nothing more than representations of the American people. If they are not representing the interests of the US public, then the focus should be on asking why and working towards finding ways to solve this. The problem of course is that this requires work and effort, which are increasingly things that Americans refuse to partake of. Instead like a true jackass you find it easier to make devil eyes at anything establishment and ignore the vast public good that can be achieved by society working together towards common goals.

Enjoy living in an increasingly dystopian, backwards country while the rest of us stand outside looking on in bewildered wonder, like visitors to a zoo.

At risk of Godwinizing this thread, Hitler was democratically elected by a majority of the German people. I have no faith in government as a force for good. Americans generally don't. What's truly astonishing is that Europeans do. The ENTIRE POINT of the US constitution and all American political philosophy is that the government is dangerous and untrustworthy. This is so elementary that every American child is taught this in grade school. Government has destroyed more than anything else in world history. It took (relatively) thriving countries in Africa and swallowed them whole. It took mostly fed countries in Europe and Asia and starved them. Government must be kept on a tight leash.

[kentonio]

Let me get this straight.

Gun-free society working together towards common goals:

Heavily armed, increasingly dystopian, backwards country:

Yeah that must be why all those people keep getting killed in public mass murders across Britain. Oh wait..

It has a file on me. It even has my fingerprints! Obviously I should not be allowed to own guns.

I thought your posting history here was enough to show that.

The separation of powers dealt with that problem nicely.

Written Constitution, FTW!

A district judge passing a temporary injunction makes it all ok?

[Lorizael]

At risk of Godwinizing this thread, Hitler was democratically elected by a majority of the German people. I have no faith in government as a force for good. Americans generally don't. What's truly astonishing is that Europeans do. The ENTIRE POINT of the US constitution and all American political philosophy is that the government is dangerous and untrustworthy. This is so elementary that every American child is taught this in grade school. Government has destroyed more than anything else in world history. It took (relatively) thriving countries in Africa and swallowed them whole. It took mostly fed countries in Europe and Asia and starved them. Government must be kept on a tight leash.

This is an extremely myopic view of American political philosophy.

[regexcellent]

I thought your posting history here was enough to show that.

So you do think rights should be limited based on what people say. You are against free speech.

A district judge passing a temporary injunction makes it all ok?

Yes.

[Hauldren Collider]

This is an extremely myopic view of American political philosophy.

Uh, not really. That IS in fact the core principal behind our system of government.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

No the present political existential conflict is the competing question of whether government is a necessary evil or if it is a force for good. Your read on that fundamental question breaks you into one of two camps. The founders obviously felt the former.

[kentonio]

At risk of Godwinizing this thread, Hitler was democratically elected by a majority of the German people.

At the risk of pointing out the obvious, you know nothing about the Germany of time. Germany was a brand new democracy suffering through the great depression, WW1 reparations and a complete disintegration in national pride and identity. Much as I'd love to compare the two just to be snarky, comparing America today to Weimar Germany is absolutely retarded.

I have no faith in government as a force for good. Americans generally don't. What's truly astonishing is that Europeans do. The ENTIRE POINT of the US constitution and all American political philosophy is that the government is dangerous and untrustworthy. This is so elementary that every American child is taught this in grade school.

You do remember who wrote your constitution right? Yep, that would be the same people who then formed your first governments. The point of the constitution is not that all government is untrustworthy but rather that government left unrestrained BECOMES dangerous and untrustworthy. By treating all government as inherently hostile, you turn away from any idea of society working together for the improvement of the country.

Government has destroyed more than anything else in world history. It took (relatively) thriving countries in Africa and swallowed them whole. It took mostly fed countries in Europe and Asia and starved them. Government must be kept on a tight leash.

This is so idiotic, that I barely know how to answer. You've taken the word government and distorted it so far that it has lost all meaning. You could replace the word government with the word people and what you just said would make considerably more sense.

[Lonestar]

At risk of Godwinizing this thread, Hitler was democratically elected by a majority of the German people.

No, he wasn't. Check again.

EDIT: Let me help you out, from Wikipedia

Hindenburg reluctantly agreed to appoint Hitler as chancellor after two further parliamentary elections—in July and November 1932—had not resulted in the formation of a majority government. Hitler was to head a short-lived coalition government formed by the NSDAP and Hugenberg's party, the German National People's Party (DNVP). On 30 January 1933 the new cabinet was sworn in during a brief and simple ceremony in Hindenburg's office. The NSDAP held three of the eleven posts: Hitler was named chancellor, Hermann Göring was named minister without portfolio, and Wilhelm Frick was appointed minister of the interior.[142]

EDIT again: I'd add that this is significantly less democratic then the US method of choosing a head of government and state.