Dark Knight Rises

[Rufus T. Firefly]

Concealed carry does have it's limits, at least in theory; but let me point out again that had one person had a CCP, they may have stopped the criminal, who didn't have one.

The very first thing Holmes did was toss some kind of canister into the theater that, from all reports, emitted smoke or gas that obscured visibility and caused audience members eyes to tear. So in a venue where people have reduced visibility and compromised vision, you want more guns going off? And you think the odds are that the rounds from the person/persons with CCP will take down the guy in body armor and a ballistic helmet rather than more screaming, fleeing audience members? Alrighty then.

[The Mad Monk]

Or as Asher has repeatedly pointed out, it could just have led to an even bigger bloodbath. Incidentally what happens when the real SWAT arrive in body armour looking like the shooters? Do those amateur hero's get confused in the smoke and start shooting at the cops? More importantly, how do the cops differentiate between the psycho mass killer and the brave concealed carry hero?

AS ALWAYS, police didn't arrive until it was OVER. Even five minutes is too late.

[The Mad Monk]

In Canada, we are trained how to throw axes at a young age.

[DinoDoc]

edit - my bad I relied on Daily Mail. I know unreliable source at best. Not sure that I can find a good timeline. However, it was reported that Holmes was arrested without struggle outside. The fact was the cops arrested the individual without relying on deadly force, thus claims of wading into a smoke filled theater and stopping a firefight in progress seem off the mark.

Law enforcement officials were on scene within a minute and a half of the incident. Twenty-five police officers first responded to the scene, eventually 200 officers were on the scene.

At about 12:45 a.m. MT, James Holmes was identified as the suspect and was arrested without incident near his car parked behind the theater. He was carrying three weapons, including a .223 caliber Smith & Wesson assault rifle equipped with a drum magazine, which can hold upwards of 100 rounds, a Remington 12 gauge shot gun, and a .40 Glock handgun. A fourth handgun was found in the vehicle.

http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/world_news&id=8743134

[Al B. Sure!]

Law enforcement officials were on scene within a minute and a half of the incident. Twenty-five police officers first responded to the scene, eventually 200 officers were on the scene.

At about 12:45 a.m. MT, James Holmes was identified as the suspect and was arrested without incident near his car parked behind the theater. He was carrying three weapons, including a .223 caliber Smith & Wesson assault rifle equipped with a drum magazine, which can hold upwards of 100 rounds, a Remington 12 gauge shot gun, and a .40 Glock handgun. A fourth handgun was found in the vehicle.

http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/world_news&id=8743134

I thought it was semi-automatic?

[DinoDoc]

The very first thing Holmes did was toss some kind of canister into the theater that, from all reports, emitted smoke or gas that obscured visibility and caused audience members eyes to tear. So in a venue where people have reduced visibility and compromised vision, you want more guns going off? And you think the odds are that the rounds from the person/persons with CCP will take down the guy in body armor and a ballistic helmet rather than more screaming, fleeing audience members? Alrighty then.

You are only as good as your training so it's ludicrous to think some street Rambo would have been able to take out the shooter while under fire. The only people Sloww could reasonably expect to have had the training to handle the situation were the servicemen in the theater (1 of whom was a cryptologist, another was a cyber-systems operator, and the last one IIRC was an airman). Only one of those might have been able to do anything.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Thanks DD. 12:45 ID and arrest. 12:38 shooting started.

7 minutes. All damage was already done.

[DinoDoc]

I thought it was semi-automatic?

Assault weapon is a term, often used by gun control advocates, typically referring to firearms "designed for rapidly firing at human targets from close range," sometimes described as military-style features useful in combat.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_weapon

The term has nothing to do with automatic or semi-auto.

[Felch]

Assault rifles are automatic.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_rifle

[Al B. Sure!]

Assault weapon is a term, often used by gun control advocates, typically referring to firearms "designed for rapidly firing at human targets from close range," sometimes described as military-style features useful in combat.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_weapon

The term has nothing to do with automatic or semi-auto.

I know this. I already referenced it in this thread.

The article said assault RIFLE, not weapon. RIFLE.

The media as usual has an agenda and it's spinning the story with loaded terms.


And it's interesting seeing what weapons he had. The shotgun and the handgun are more dangerous than the rifle is.

Did he use those weapons at all?

[Wezil]

What you are calling an "agenda" is more likely just the usual sloppy reporting we come to expect from today's media.

[DinoDoc]

And it's interesting seeing what weapons he had. The shotgun and the handgun are more dangerous than the rifle is.

Did he use those weapons at all?

He used the shotgun 1st according to reporting. I have no info on if he also used the handgun.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

nm

[MrFun]

In Canada, we are trained how to throw axes at a young age.

[Uncle Sparky]

Maybe the solution is to have each theatre employ/deploy a few of these -