Canada declares war on Catholicism

[Asher]

Does the club affirm that homosexuality and engaging in homosexuality is not sinful?

Because rah is doing everything he can to avoid answering the question. Same with you. See, when people avoid questions, I can always tell that they would rather bull**** me and call me names if it means not having to answer the question.

Yawn. Answer the question Asher.

I thought I did.

What exactly is your question? Perhaps the reason no one is answering it is you haven't figured out how to type it out.

Your question seemed to be something like "does GSA teach or encourage sodomy". Everyone is laughing at you and saying no, and you are asking them to answer the question.

[Asher]

Why? Because sexual activity is to be confined in marriage, which revolves around the union of a man and a woman. Anything that deviates from this, is sinful.

Fact: man has penis, woman has butt. Buttsex is possible within marriage. Why does God hate married couples?

Bonus fact: Woman has strap-on, man has butt. Also possible in marriage.

[Ben Kenobi]

That's not their definition. And you should know better since I'm sure you were bullied when you were growing up. Being deaf wasn't your fault as much as them being gay isn't their's. You were bullied because you were different then others.

Is there a gay gene? Then no, their decision to be homosexual isn't the same as me being deaf.

AGAIN, the clubs are to get people not to be bullied not to promote being gay.

Then why are they defining someone as bullying gay people if one expresses an opinion in opposition to homosexuality? People can disagree with me without being bullies.

If they're virgins they are not sinful yet.

But if they are teaching that homosexuality is an intrinsic part of you and you cannot overcome it without losing yourself, then they aren't in accordance with what the Church teaches.

You yourself (when defending your wacko religious beliefs) say that they're not being discriminated against because they can still marry women.

Actually, what I argue is that discrimination is part of what marriage is. We discriminate against people who want to marry their children, people who want to marry more than one woman, and we discriminate against men who want to marry another man. Marriage sans discrimination is meaningless.

What we don't do is discriminate against homosexuals. There is nothing barring someone with homosexual inclinations from marrying a woman, nor is there a law providing for two straight men to get married to each other. Ergo, while the law does prevent men from marrying each other, it does not discriminate against homosexuality.

Well, some of these people may never commit sodomy and marry women. YOU NEVER KNOW. They may never sin. (in your eyes) So what's the problem.

My problem is (that if they teach what you said in the thread), that they will equate who they are with what they do, and that they can never truly be happy as a gay person unless they choose to act on their inclinations. Labelling people who disagree with homosexuality as 'bullies', is completely the wrong tack to take, and forcing a Catholic school to compromise their teachings in order to try to shut them down is going from granting rights to people, to taking them away from people that you don't like.

As soon as you hear the word GAY, you assume that everyone is jumping up and down and committing sodomy.

The purpose of the club is to affirm homosexuality. End stop. That puts it in conflict with what the Church teaches.

If they haven't sinned yet, you should be protecting the children.

We disagree on how to protect them. I think that a big part of protecting children is to avoid situations where problems can arise. Seriously, 80 percent of the job of staying out of trouble is not to go where the trouble is happening. Seeking out trouble is like playing with fire, and that's how I see these clubs.

If they've sinned and confessed, you should be protecting the children.

If they are advocating drawing children into sin, then they aren't protecting them. Why do we not have smoking clubs but we do have this one?

But like a lot of catholics you don't see to give a crap about the children based on your posts in this thread.

Well duh, because I'm the only one willing to post the health consequences associated with homosexuality. Clearly by not celebrating it, I hate children.

[Ben Kenobi]

Your question seemed to be something like "does GSA teach or encourage sodomy". Everyone is laughing at you and saying no, and you are asking them to answer the question.

Do they teach that homosexuality is not sinful. You and rah both keep dodging this question. Obvs that's the pertinent question, given Catholic teachings on the matter but it's yet to receive an answer.

[Ben Kenobi]

Fact: man has penis, woman has butt. Buttsex is possible within marriage. Why does God hate married couples?

What's the purposes of sex? Answer that, you'll have your answer. Sex is for both pleasure and for making babies. Sex without one or the other is wrong, because that's what sex was created for, making people happy and making babies.

Bonus fact: Woman has strap-on, man has butt. Also possible in marriage.

And also is sinful...there's lots of stuff you can do in marriage that is sinful.

[Asher]

Is there a gay gene? Then no, their decision to be homosexual isn't the same as me being deaf.

The answer is probably yes. Read up on modern medicine.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biology_and_sexual_orientation

[Asher]

Do they teach that homosexuality is not sinful. You and rah both keep dodging this question. Obvs that's the pertinent question, given Catholic teachings on the matter but it's yet to receive an answer.

The reason no one directly answers your question is because it's mind-numbingly stupid. I cannot speak for every GSA that ever existed.

They may or may not teach that homosexuality is not sinful. I don't know or care what your little storybook says. Freedom of speech, *******.

Does every Catholic student club teach that masturbation is sinful? Answer the question!

[Asher]

What's the purposes of sex?

99.9% of the time, it's enjoyment.

Answer that, you'll have your answer. Sex is for both pleasure and for making babies. Sex without one or the other is wrong, because that's what sex was created for, making people happy and making babies.

sex was created?

And also is sinful...there's lots of stuff you can do in marriage that is sinful.

Which is why your comment was ****ing retarded. You avoided the question while accusing others of avoiding questions. Or maybe you can't ****ing read.

[Asher]

Then why are they defining someone as bullying gay people if one expresses an opinion in opposition to homosexuality? People can disagree with me without being bullies.

The same reason it's bullying to say deaf people are God's mistakes, deaf people are invalids, or deaf people live in sin. Such positions influence how peers will interface with deaf people, and not for the better.

Expressing an opinion is all, right?

If this is about expressing an opinion, let's loop back to the point of this thread. The Catholics want to suppress the opinion of those who wish to help gay teens. It's their way or the high way.

Stop trying to pass off tyranny as freedom of religion.

[giblets]

Sodomy must have been created because it exists, and obviously wasn't created for making babies, so what's wrong with engaging in sodomy for pleasure? I think Ben has only proven that God thinks that if you don't want babies, you must not do it in the vagina.

[Ben Kenobi]

The answer is probably yes. Read up on modern medicine.

So, it hasn't been proven. Thanks for playing.

Second question, if it were proven to be the case, would you be able to tell those who were gay upon inspection?

See, that's the difference. Nobody knows you are gay unless you tell people. You want to live my life in my shoes - try it sometime.

[Asher]

God created in vitro fertilization so gay couples could make babies while committing sodomy.

[Ben Kenobi]

I cannot speak for every GSA that ever existed.

They may or may not teach that homosexuality is not sinful.

That's the closest I'm going to get to an actual answer. Thanks Asher for admitting it.

I don't know or care what your little storybook says. Freedom of speech, *******.

And that works both ways, Asher. The Catholic schools have the right to teach what the Catholic Church teaches. Undermining it by forcing them to hold events celebrating homosexuality is no different then forcing them to host gay marriages.

Does every Catholic student club teach that masturbation is sinful? Answer the question!

If they want to remain a Catholic student club, yes they do.

See, I answer questions, you do not.

[Asher]

So, it hasn't been proven. Thanks for playing.

Oh, the Catholic is demanding proof?

Scientific evidence points to biological factors playing a significant role in the development of human sexuality.

Second question, if it were proven to be the case, would you be able to tell those who were gay upon inspection?

Frequently, yes. Brain scans show biological differences between gay people and straight people.

See, that's the difference. Nobody knows you are gay unless you tell people.

You've never seen someone on the street and knew they were gay? Really?

I've amazingly accurate gaydar -- not just because of flamboyance, but it's subtle things like facial structures and even eyelashes. Gayface is a real thing.

You want to live my life in my shoes - try it sometime.

Ditto for gay people. *******.

So you can't hear very well. Boohoo. You can't think nor read either. You can't ****. You can't do anything.

That's how God made you. Don't be so ****ing bitter.

[Asher]

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And that works both ways, Asher. The Catholic schools have the right to teach what the Catholic Church teaches.

Sure, and they still can and do teach what is considered sinful, last I checked. Which part of the legislation says they can't?

You just ****ed yourself, Ben. This bill is to guarantee students can created Gay-Straight Alliances in any school. But you just said freedom of speech works both ways. So you do support the creation of GSAs in Catholic schools?

See, I answer questions, you do not.

You just thanked me for answering your stupid ****ing question. Do you not remember 10 seconds ago?