Social Studies teacher: Don't you dare say bad things about the President!

[giblets]

If someone is a pacifist for religious reasons does the government have no right to tax them to pay for a war?

[Ben Kenobi]

He could just pretend that the catholic tax money is spent on defence or something.

The health care mandate forces Catholics to purchase contraception.

[Ben Kenobi]

But no insult to the "worse" president. Do you even read what you post?

Comparing Obama to a president who is better than him is a compliment, not an insult.

[DinoDoc]

He can only sign a bill ...

In this instance there was no bill mandating such a thing. Merely a decision from the HHS department requiring it.

[rah]

The health care mandate forces Catholics to purchase contraception.

HUH. How does it do that?

[Fake Boris]

Paid vacations are humiliating?

You're out of this world.

[Ben Kenobi]

HUH. How does it do that?

The individual mandate requires people to purchase health care, and the health care they are required to purchase includes coverage for contraception. There is no exemption for Catholics or Catholic religious organizations, but there are exemptions for folks like the Amish, etc. Ergo it's unconstitutional.

You're having nuns forced to pay for contraceptive coverage? That's a terrible outcome. Nobody should be forced to buy health coverage that they do not want or need.

[giblets]

It’s not like this is something new as over 50 percent of Americans already live in states that require health insurance companies to provide contraception in their policy offerings. Further, states like California, New York and North Carolina have the identical religious exemptions as have been promulgated by the Department of Health & Human Services while some states (Wisconsin, Colorado and Georgia) provide no religious exemption whatsoever. Thus, one wonders why religious organizations in these states have not previously raised a fuss.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2012/02/02/the-truth-about-contraception-obamacare-and-the-church/

Gee...

[DinoDoc]

Gee...

States have different powers than the Federal government.

[DinoDoc]

You're out of this world.

Oh come off it Fake Boris. It isn't a real punishment and you know it.

[Ben Kenobi]

For starters, all churches—or any other type of house of worship— are expressly exempted from the requirement that they offer health insurance to their employees that includes any provision for contraception. The issue under discussion involves whether other entities owned and operated by a church should be obligated to do so under the law.

So, IOW if the Church runs a school, or even a homeless shelter - they are no longer exempt. Every Catholic parish has a school.

Nobody is, in any way, obligated to acquire or use contraceptive devices

They are required to pay for contraceptives, one way or another. If they were not required to pay for contraception - then why not simply allow them to purchase health care without contraception? They are still paying for it, which is wrong.

The law does not require medical care providers to prescribe contraceptives. If the religious belief of a physician or other health care worker is such that they do not believe in contraception for religious reasons, nothing in the law –or the regulations-would require a doctor or care worker to prescribe a contraceptive device.

http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/0801875.htm

Hoover's ruling upheld the state pharmacy board's reprimand and limited Noesen's pharmacy license so that he would be required to notify a potential employer of his inability to distribute certain drugs and detail in writing how he would ensure the patient's access to those drugs.

So, Catholics can be terminated for refusing to dispense birth control, and they can lose their pharmacy license! This law doesn't do it, but there are already existing laws that do!

Drugs, such as RU486 that cause a woman to abort a pregnancy, are not included in the law or regulations. Nothing would require a health insurance company to include this in their policy offerings and, certainly, nothing would require anyone to take such a pill

The morning after pill is covered, and is an abortifacient. So the health care law not only requires people to purchase contraception coverage, it also requires them to purchase abortion coverage.

It’s not like this is something new as over 50 percent of Americans already live in states that require health insurance companies to provide contraception in their policy offerings. Further, states like California, New York and North Carolina have the identical religious exemptions as have been promulgated by the Department of Health & Human Services while some states (Wisconsin, Colorado and Georgia) provide no religious exemption whatsoever. Thus, one wonders why religious organizations in these states have not previously raised a fuss.

Except for the very large fact that California, New York and North Carolina do not require their citizens to purchase health insurance.

Thus, one wonders why religious organizations in these states have not previously raised a fuss.

Because this bill takes the crucial step of requiring people to purchase health insurance? Mandating health care insurance providers to provide contraception is one thing. Requiring people to purchase health care insurance, quite another.

[Fake Boris]

Oh come off it Fake Boris. It isn't a real punishment and you know it.

Nope. As a teacher, you become an universal object of ridicule from all students. I don't even want to imagine how it feels like to be back in front of the classroom when you come back.

[MikeH]

The individual mandate requires people to purchase health care, and the health care they are required to purchase includes coverage for contraception. There is no exemption for Catholics or Catholic religious organizations, but there are exemptions for folks like the Amish, etc. Ergo it's unconstitutional.

You're having nuns forced to pay for contraceptive coverage? That's a terrible outcome. Nobody should be forced to buy health coverage that they do not want or need.

It staggers me that you care about that. The vast majority of all health care is stuff you'll never need or want. It's just a waste of money to have different schemes for every little group that might want it. Much more efficient to have a scheme for everyone.

Plus being against contraception is cruel, dangerous, mysogynistic and wrong.

[DinoDoc]

Nope. As a teacher, you become an universal object of ridicule from all students. I don't even want to imagine how it feels like to be back in front of the classroom when you come back.

If she already wasn't an object of ridicule for students due to her behavior, she wouldn't have been in this mess in the first place.

[DaShi]

It's sad how we treat our most honorable and patriotic Americans.