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Why the fvck would I want to marry a woman?Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
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Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View PostSo you do admit that you can marry a woman, just that you choose not to marry one? Hey, life sucks, it ain't fair. We can't all marry the person we want to marry.
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Originally posted by Kuciwalker View PostImran, you are making my point for me. Compare this to anti-same-sex marriage laws. They didn't even exist because "same-sex marriage" was already a contradiction in terms. There was no need to ban something that was logically impossible.
This is an actual example of the exception proving the rule.“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
- John 13:34-35 (NRSV)
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Gribbler:
You have said earlier, that homophobes are not arguing that marriage is not a right. So, given that marriage is a right, and that gay people are citizens of the United States, it's irrational to deny American citizens the right that other citizens enjoy, on the grounds that marriage is traditionally conceived/understood as between two people of opposite genders.
What instead, he is asking for - is for the state to recognise the right to marry someone of the same sex as him. He is also assuming that 'sex doesn't matter', wrt marriage.
So, in order for him to succeed in his case - he needs to explain why sex shouldn't matter in marriage, not that his is being 'discriminated against'. The state discriminates against those who want to get married to more than one person at the same time, it discriminates against those who want to marry a 14 year old. It legally discrminates against those who want to get married to someone who is a blood relative.
Ergo - there is no such 'right' to get married to whomever you want. Never has been. The state is under no obligation to recognize any relationship as marriage, unless it meets the present legal definition of marriage, (and a few other conditions, residency, etc).
Oh, and one other thing, marriage isn't private - you don't have the right to marry someone without letting other people know. You can be with them - but you won't be legally married. This is different from freedom of association, etc.Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
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Please ignore Ben's post, Grib. It's not worth the effort.“As a lifelong member of the Columbia Business School community, I adhere to the principles of truth, integrity, and respect. I will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do.”
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Why you think the government should make life suck more I will never understandScouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
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Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View PostGribbler:
As Mr. Fun has admitted - no one is stopping him from marrying a woman, save himself. Ergo, he is declining to exercise a 'right', not having a 'right' taken away from him.
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Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View PostWhy liberals believe that government ever does anything that doesn't make life suck more, I will never understand. Yes, the government makes stuff suck. This is a guarantee.
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That is completely, utterly wrong. If miscegenation is banned, a white person who declines to marry a white person because they are in love with a black person is being denied their rights. Likewise with same-sex marriage.Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
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Please explain how laws against the malicious, premeditated killing of another human being make life suck more. Or, admit that some of what the government does makes life suck less.
How exactly does the state protect me from getting murdered or killed? Someone seeing me and calling 911 and hopefully getting to the hospital before I expire?Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
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Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View PostDo you believe that the color of a persons skin is as relevant as their sexuality wrt marriage? Do you believe that it is just as hard for a white person to love a black person as it is for a gay man to truly love a woman?
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