Hello everybody

[MrFun]

Half of all Americans support equal marriage rights for gay people. There's something for you to chew on, Ben.

[rah]

Interesting, in the poll it showed that 51% of Catholics support it. It's nice to know that over half the Catholics disagree with Ben.

[giblets]

Yes, half of all Catholics believe in religious freedom and don't think people of other religious views should be forced by the government to not have gay marriages. It's depressing that half don't.

[Asher]

Ben will argue that half of people who identify as Catholics aren't true Catholics.

Hell, most of them probably don't even have 8 kids.

[MrFun]

Interesting, in the poll it showed that 51% of Catholics support it. It's nice to know that over half the Catholics disagree with Ben.

I wonder if Ben would fall off his chair to find out how large of a percentage of Catholic women use birth control.

[rah]

When I was growing up, the block next to the Catholic school that we attended had lots of LARGE Catholic families. (up to 14 kids) Based on the rumor mills, most of them, at some point, started to use Birth control to avoid any more. I guess enough is enough. But don't bother. Ben lives in his own VERY little world.

[MrFun]

yep

[Ben Kenobi]

I wonder if Ben would fall off his chair to find out how large of a percentage of Catholic women use birth control.

Why would it surprise me? You do know I'm a convert, right? I've seen plenty of folks on both sides of the line, and I used to be on the other side myself. My change on this issue is part of why I became a Catholic in the first place - thanks to some lovely Catholic ladies who convinced me otherwise.

[Ben Kenobi]

Ben will argue that half of people who identify as Catholics aren't true Catholics.

Actually quite the opposite.

If you're baptised Catholic, you are Catholic. If you leave the Church the Church still considers you a Catholic and you are always welcome to return, as a Catholic to the faith.

The difference is between someone who is Catholic and someone who is Catholic in good standing with the Church. There are plenty of reasons why a Catholic might fall out of standing, and one of them is to publicly dissent with what the Church teaches.

[Ben Kenobi]

lives in his own VERY little world.

You might want to read Humanae Vitae, rah. Hey, I'm sorry but when I converted that means sticking up and actually believing that what the pope says, goes. That is part of my vows to the Church.

[Ben Kenobi]

Yes, half of all Catholics believe in religious freedom and don't think people of other religious views should be forced by the government to not have gay marriages. It's depressing that half don't.

Which is why it's the Catholics who are getting their windows smashed in for opposition to gay marriage. If it were about 'religious freedom', then it's proponents wouldn't be forcing Catholics to make the decision between their faith and their work. This is also why 'conscience protections' are opposed by gay marriage folks, because you can't have someone with the temerity to actually disagree with gay marriage and not get destroyed.

[Asher]

Why would it surprise me? You do know I'm a convert, right?

Yowsers! That's the first I've heard that!
What a shocker!

[Asher]

Which is why it's the Catholics who are getting their windows smashed in for opposition to gay marriage.

[Ben Kenobi]

Interesting, in the poll it showed that 51% of Catholics support it. It's nice to know that over half the Catholics disagree with Ben.

You say that like the Church is a democracy. It's not, and thank goodness for that. Truth is truth. Even if 99 percent believed in it, it wouldn't change what is written.

[Ben Kenobi]

http://now.msn.com/now/0428-savage-bible-speech.aspx

If these are proponents of 'religious freedom', then the Ministry of Love is fully in operation.

I've witnessed your vandalism before, and had to clean it up.