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  • #46
    Originally posted by gribbler View Post
    Please explain what injective means so that your post will make sense to a normal person. My web browser thinks it's not spelled correctly and has put a red line under it.
    An injective function has a unique output for each input. So f(x)=sqrt(x) is injective, because no two x-values will produce the same y value. f(x)=x^2, however, is not injective, because x=-2 and x=2 produce the same y-value. What Hauldren is saying is that the base 10 number system is more like x^2 than sqrt(x).

    Note: I could be completely wrong, because I know **** all about math.
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    • #47
      Correct. A real value can be represented by more than one decimal number in some cases.
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      • #48
        Originally posted by gribbler View Post
        How did he prove that no number comes between them?
        Make my day, name any number that is between them. There's no possible, what's it called, decimal expansion?
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        • #49
          Originally posted by gribbler View Post
          .999... is a rational number? Please express it as a ratio of two integers.
          1:1, but that's what we're trying to prove. A number that you can write as a repeating decimal fraction is a rational number. This is the definition I'm using.
          As HC says, you can write 1 either as 1.(0) or 0.(9).
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          • #50
            Originally posted by onodera View Post
            Make my day, name any number that is between them. There's no possible, what's it called, decimal expansion?
            "No one has succeeded in coming up with a number between them" doesn't prove that no numbers come between them.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by gribbler View Post
              "No one has succeeded in coming up with a number between them" doesn't prove that no numbers come between them.
              The concept of limits proves that no numbers come between them.
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              • #52
                Gribby's acting like an idiot. The proof is constructive. If you give me a c>0, I can give you a terminating sequence 0.99999... such that 1 - this sequence is less than c. Thus, the difference between 0.999... and 1 is less than any number greater than 0 (and it's >=0) therefore it is 0.

                This is a standard proof technique in any real analysis course.
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                • #53
                  Originally posted by KrazyHorse View Post
                  Gribby's acting like an idiot. The proof is constructive. If you give me a c>0, I can give you a terminating sequence 0.99999... such that 1 - this sequence is less than c. Thus, the difference between 0.999... and 1 is less than any number greater than 0 (and it's >=0) therefore it is 0.

                  This is a standard proof technique in any real analysis course.
                  Thank you for providing a proof that onodera didn't provide

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                  • #54
                    What more do you want? The proof is conclusive. There is no debating this. It is simply a fact.
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                    • #55
                      Duh, obviously.
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                      • #56
                        Does .999 repeating equal 1?
                        What do you mean by 'equal'?

                        If the question is:

                        Is the mathematical phrase '.999... = 1' correct?

                        Then the answer is yes.

                        But the English language phrase 'Does .999 repeating equal 1?' is not necessarily the same thing as the mathematical phrase '.999... = 1'. These are different and distinguishable sets and the fact that the English language phrase can have the same value as the mathematical phrase does not mean that it cannot have other values where the phrase 'equal' has a looser meaning.

                        Specifically, with regard to cryptography, '.999...' would not hash to the same number as '1' would. Even more simply if I translate '.999...' into Japanese, it would not come out as the kana for '1', despite the fact that translation is basically a process of equal substitution.

                        The point here is that there is no deep transcendental meaning inherent to the fact that .999... = 1.

                        .999... = 1 because it is forced to. It is a tautology that arises from the use the '=' sign and the infinitely repeating decimal notation, which are nothing more than convenient mathematical artifacts. And it only applies when limited precisely to mathematical equations.

                        Ultimately it is just a rule of the mathematical game. It is basically the same as the 'out of the pocket grounding' rule is in football.

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by Vanguard View Post
                          What do you mean by 'equal'?
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                          • #58
                            You might want to get that checked. Those look like really strange genital infections.
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                            • #59
                              Nah, post-modern bull**** makes me so aroused that I jizz clown balloons
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                              • #60
                                That sounds incredibly painful...
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