Thread for people to explain how immigrants take jobs

[MikeH]

They don't in the UK

Was a big example recently, fruit farmers were bringing in pickers from Eastern Europe for harvest time. They had a big campaign to try and recruit local unemployed youth to do the picking work instead, they couldn't get any English born pickers to take the jobs.

Similar situation talking to some people in wineries in Sonoma.

[Kidlicious]

Immigrants don't just pick fruit here. They do construction, housecleaning and other stuff. Here's an example. They ran a bunch of illegals off of a foo processing plant and a bunch of native borns got good paying jobs. You need to stop listening to KH bull****.

[Kidlicious]

I know some of them buy cars, fix them up and sell them. Guess what, less jobs for native borns.

[MikeH]

What's stopping a native buying cars, fixing them up and selling them on?

[MikeH]

Did I say "immigrants only pick fruit"? No.

[Kidlicious]

What's stopping a native buying cars, fixing them up and selling them on?

Nothing, the point is that many of them do. Can you keep up?

[Kidlicious]

Did I say "immigrants only pick fruit"? No.

You're saying they don't compete, and they do.

[Kidlicious]

Actually I wasn't clear. English speakers compete with immigrants for all jobs. It's just that enough english speakers, so they hire immigrants. Fruit picking in particular is hard to fill, but they do find some english speakers.

[OneFootInTheGrave]

this whole competition for jobs cannot be viewed in isolation. Those who "compete" provide services and earn money for the employer, who in turn generate more money to go around the system. Also they spend their money earned and again contribute... the issue is complex, and you can refer to some posts above on some aspects of that complexity.

In the end they seem to contribute more to the economy, rather than not, and if you are a local who has legal working status and want to work the job of the illegal immigrant, you are in incomparably better competitive postion to actually land that job, even for more money, than the immigrant, just due to the legal status alone... the issue is that natives most often are not interested in such work as it's too much work for too little pay, and even state benefits as meager as they may be are a better incentive to not work than to work like that.

Croatia for example is a state with insignificant number of immigrants in the population, yet we have 12-13% unemployment right now... despite of that fact there is a shortage of people to work on the farms... so being on almost no money (state benefits here are not great), its' still better to do it and live of some unoficial resource (ie doing some irregular support work, like painting someones house etc) comparing to earning a living for someone and working on a farm... if we had immigrants they would fill that niche easily, and farmers would produce more, earn more as they could actually do more work overall than they can, with paying the same or less than what they do right now... that in itself would stimulate the economy and be a net positive.

Unemployment itself is due to structural issues, and has nothing to do with immigration policy.

[Pax]

In the realm of farm labor, I think that we all agree that native peoples are not so willing to work in the fields. Now how about a car wash, construction, cab driving, food services, house cleaners, dry cleaners, mechanics, landscaping, delivery(furniture) and manufacturing. These are areas where natives are willing to work and have been undercut by illegal immigrants.
The fact that they are illegal is also cause for the Owners of these services to pay the workers less than the minimum wage. All around the **** illegal.

[C0ckney]

They don't in the UK

Was a big example recently, fruit farmers were bringing in pickers from Eastern Europe for harvest time. They had a big campaign to try and recruit local unemployed youth to do the picking work instead, they couldn't get any English born pickers to take the jobs.

this is true, although this is certainly an argument for forcing the local unemployed to take those jobs. it's ridiculous to pay healthy young people to sit on their lazy arses and do nothing while importing workers from the other side of the continent to do a low skilled job like fruit picking.

[giblets]

Yeah, if you want the government to give you money you should be willing to pick fruit if you can't find anything else.

[Pax]

Yeah, if you want the government to give you money you should be willing to pick fruit if you can't find anything else.

http://www.poorhousestory.com/Welfare_to_Work.htm

[Jon Miller]

But think on this:

If prostitution were legal, then you would need to be willing to turn tricks if you can't find anything else.

We already have stripping legal most places.

JM

[Dauphin]

They don't in the UK

Was a big example recently, fruit farmers were bringing in pickers from Eastern Europe for harvest time. They had a big campaign to try and recruit local unemployed youth to do the picking work instead, they couldn't get any English born pickers to take the jobs.

Similar situation talking to some people in wineries in Sonoma.

I wonder how much of that is an expectation issue ("I don't want that crap job"), and how much is because immigrants don't have recourse to public funds unlike the indolent natives.