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Hate is the wrong word. It would more be like "that creepy nutjob aren't going to be within 100 meter of my child".Originally posted by gribbler View PostWith or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.
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I don't know any american football player, I know Babe Ruth because I have seen him mentioned in movies.
I know some big basketball stars (Jordan, Johnson, Kobe, Rodman, Lebron) , Basketball is more of an international sport than american football or baseball.
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Asher, where do you get all this stuff about Tebow? Yes, the virgin (
) QB is very religious and he's very open about his religion since it's a huge part of his life, being the son of missionaries and what not, but I have never heard of anything about Tebow being the judgmental bible-thumper you think he is. People start Tebowing in a prayer pose and it became an internet craze then his opponents started doing it to make fun of him... the media asked him if he was offended and if he thought they were mocking his religion and Tebow graciously said it didn't bother him and he can appreciate people having fun. Does that sound like the response of an in-your-face Ben type?
You're right that he is an all-American, squeaky-clean good old boy. It is one of the reasons why he is so popular. But I at least have never heard of any of the negative aspects of Christians coming out from his mouth or his behavior.
And I've been discussing Tebow at length in the NFL thread so I'm starting to get Tebowed out."Flutie was better than Kelly, Elway, Esiason and Cunningham." - Ben Kenobi
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Just because Americans are even ignorant of other Americans doesn't excuse it, Alby.
Did you not see his Superbowl ad?"The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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Oh wow! So offensiveOriginally posted by Asher View PostJust because Americans are even ignorant of other Americans doesn't excuse it, Alby.
Did you not see his Superbowl ad?
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You don't know Manu Ginobili?!Originally posted by Barnabas View Post"Flutie was better than Kelly, Elway, Esiason and Cunningham." - Ben Kenobi
"I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben KenobiComment
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Yes, being a figurehead for a bible-thumping evangelical group doesn't mean he's a judgmental bible thumper, right? Just that he is promoting them. A very good distinction that I'm glad you made, Alby.
He's actively involved in supporting a group that:
1) Advocates school prayer (well, Christian school prayer -- none of that gay muslim prayer ****)
2) Advocates corporate punishment for schools
3) Strongly opposes any and all gay rights, and still actively campaigns to revoke rights gays have and prevent further rights
4) Strongly opposes abortion
5) Wants to outlaw pornography
6) Wants to eliminate any and all forms of legalized gambling
7) Strongly opposes pre-marital sex
8) Ardently supports Intelligent Design
And Tebow himself has done what we've already discussed above (constantly publicly prays, constantly publicly thanks Jesus, writes bible versus under his eyes before games, stars in commercials pushing Christianity, etc.)
Considering all of these above, you are absolutely correct in that he is clearly not a "judgmental bible-thumper".
It's probably more correct to say he's more fond of shoving bibles down your throat and up your ass rather than thumping them."The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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Corporate punishment is when you get the severance package for killing the company?Comment
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Free speech
1) Advocates school prayer
Doubt it
2) Advocates corporate punishment for schools
3) Strongly opposes any and all gay rights, and still actively campaigns to revoke rights gays have and prevent further rights
4) Strongly opposes abortion
5) Wants to outlaw pornography
Meh. I'll give him a
6) Wants to eliminate any and all forms of legalized gambling
His prerogative
7) Strongly opposes pre-marital sex
Meh
8) Ardently supports Intelligent Design
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Yes, I'd feel free every time I'm forced to do a Christian prayer in public school.Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View PostFree speech
1) Advocates school prayer
As for you wanting to outlaw pornography,
I see you're getting a jump on the typical Republican schtick -- publicly come out against something we know you do anyway."The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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Publically prays
I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
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No one forces you to pray. It only accommodates those who wish to.Originally posted by Asher View Post
As for you wanting to outlaw pornography,
Oops, was supposed to be a, my bad. It would be pretty stupid of me to support free speech wrt public prayer and oppose porn, yeah?
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Is that so?Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
I was threatened with detention if I didn't recite with the rest of the class the "Pledge of Allegiance" every morning. Why would prayer be different, if the teacher leads it?
Consistency has never been the forte of Republicans.Oops, was supposed to be a, my bad. It would be pretty stupid of me to support free speech wrt public prayer and oppose porn, yeah?
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The teachers aren't allowed to do that, you know. If they do, well, they're breaking the rules, not you. Many kids pray during moment of silence, btw. One of my best friends always pulled out a bible and read passages.Originally posted by Asher View PostIf there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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