Chickenpox Lollipops

[Imran Siddiqui]

See #2

[Hauldren Collider]

Yes, I saw that, hence the

[molly bloom]

If you believe that miracles and God's work has to be done with burning bushes and lightening bolts, perhaps...

It's quite interesting that in the period since the collapse of the Mediterranean-wide Roman Empire (and I don't include the rejuvenated Byzantine Roman Empire under Justinian for obvious reasons) the 'miracles' supposedly accomplished by God are so ludicrous or easily explicable that the term 'miraculous' has come to be pretty much devalued.

In the Old and New Testaments we have a supernatural being who can supposedly part the Red Sea, cause the sun to stand still (with no discernible side effects for the Earth) cause a world-wide flood, raise the dead, transmute water into alcohol, cause genocide by germ warfare, et cetera.


In the modern era we have people claiming that their illnesses have been 'cured'.

Did you read the articles on the hypnotic cure of the young man with ichthyosis ? According to the then head of the British Association of Dermatologists, this was nothing less than the curing of an affliction such as club foot, as far as the physiological implications go.

There are many things that doctors have no explination.

Currently. We are always learning and re-learning. Today we see again the ability to reduce and combat infection of wounds through the use of raw honey- something the Roman military knew the benefit of.

Ibn Al Nafis knew of pulmonary circulation, as did Michael Servetus. The former's knowledge seems not have been transmitted outside of Egypt or the wider Islamic world, the latter was murdered (judicially...) by an unholy alliance of the Roman Catholic Church and Calvin's Geneva.

Pulmonary circulation was then re-discovered by William Harvey in Jacobean England.

I assign a divine wind helping along and working His miracles in everyday activities.

I credit the human mind and the human brain and evolution.

[molly bloom]

So God created flesh-eating bacteria, and then several million years later created anti-biotics because...?

God so loves the poor and dispossessed that necrotizing fasciitis preys on the vitamin deprived bodies of the malnourished.

[molly bloom]

That is well said. Though I do look forward to continuing this conversation in the New Jerusalem with molly,

I'll see you in Hell first .

[molly bloom]

I don't know that I'd call him likeable.

I just kept in mind a favourite song:

The Crystals: He's A Rebel .

[molly bloom]

I just love the fact that Molly Bloom is a mouth breathing ******.

How very charitable of you.

[molly bloom]

Again, you're a very interesting person, in that you think you are so very smart (that you can tell people their future and all) but you are incredibly dumb.

See my previous reply. Or not- I don't really care either way.

[molly bloom]

I think it is insulting when people don't recognize God.

JM

Why be insulted for God ? If you believe in the God of the Old and New Testament, then vengeance will be his (saith the Lord).

I really fail to understand why Christians or Muslims or Jews get so upset to the point of killing people for their respective versions of the Almighty, when if they are truly believers, they should leave any thoughts of vengeance or 'justice' to their Divinity.

Anything else strikes me as presumption.... or rashness.

[Kidlicious]

Nope, it's only when we start to theorize on it that the distinction appears.



We'd been talking about pre-determination and then you threw in 'determining factor'. I read that as a continuation of your pre-determination stuff. If you meant it as influencing or contributing factor then my apologies for misreading it.

It's no big deal.

We all do that. It's human nature. I do it too. When I do please say something.

You're a good guy. Don't let this place corrupt you. Not too bad anyway.

[molly bloom]

I wish Molly would come back so we could have a nice discussion of Paradise Lost. Or else that Arrian would come back and say more Arrian stuff. Either one. Both together would be awesome.

Sorry- you know how it is when you're recovering from surgery, then someone invites you to work on a project in conjunction with the British Museum about the war with Benin in 1897, then you just have to buy a mask which you think may come from either the Fang people or the Bakongo people (no label, no history...) then you simply have to go and have Sunday afternoon tea at your favourite French patisserie in Soho to celebrate being ambulatory again, and you have to buy a few gifts for the nurses and medical staff and your kind friends just to say thanks...


It's been a busy 3-4 days. I think I may require a period of convalescence from my convalescing.

[molly bloom]

Elok, MB is a moron. You know that.

Tee hee. See my previous reply. On the other hand you could simply stop repeating insults and falsehoods, if you earnestly believe yourself to be a Christian.

A false witness shall perish: but the man that heareth speaketh constantly.

and

A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.

You seem to have skipped Proverbs. I wonder why...

[molly bloom]

Well we agree that he attempts to bully.

How do I do that ?

By exposing your hypocritical behaviour- judging only by the lights of your own new 'revelation' ?


That's more of a fact-finding expedition, surely.

I never said he wasn't educated.

How kind.

Ignorance isn't the same thing as stupidity.

I quite agree.

On the other hand there do seem to be large parts of the Old and New Testament that you are ignorant of.... and treading into theological waters when you don't have the appropriate flotation devices is little short of foolhardy- or stupid.

[molly bloom]

More accurately that you have to be a materialist or believe in the supernatural and that if you're a materialist you can't believe in free will.

There is no logic to this. It's simply unsupported nonsense.

[OneFootInTheGrave]

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