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So believe in randomness when there is no evidence and there are simpler explainations?
No offense, but a godess is actually a complication - not a simpler explanation Besides that, randomness is actually a simple an understadable explanation.
With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.
Actually, if it wasn't for randomness, it would really suck to be poor. If only god was to tell who might get rich (probably even without lifting a finger) it could create a lot of hate - if it's by chance, everyone has a lot and if personal effort can be a plus, i even helps society.
As proved here, randomness by nature is way better than godly randomness
With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.
I wasn't talking about God. Randomness and the existance of God aren't incompatable. I was simply talking about determinism (not the belief that humans can predict anything, but the absence of truly random events).
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Actually, if it wasn't for randomness, it would really suck to be poor. If only god was to tell who might get rich (probably even without lifting a finger) it could create a lot of hate - if it's by chance, everyone has a lot and if personal effort can be a plus, i even helps society.
As proved here, randomness by nature is way better than godly randomness
No, none of this is relevant. People aren't poor because of randomness. They are poor because of determining factors.
I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
- Justice Brett Kavanaugh
But that's your real problem - you can't have randomness if god can intervene when he wants. The randomness is controlled as long as it does what god wants but is corrected if it deivates.
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With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.
But that's your real problem - you can't have randomness if god can intervene when he wants. The randomness is controlled as long as it does what god wants but is corrected if it deivates.
I don't see why you can't. God doesn't directly intervene all the time - in fact most (vast majority?) of the time he indirectly intervenes. He does it through people, but they have to listen to Him.
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Of course they do. We deliberately curb their freedom of choice however because we don't judge them able to clearly choose their own paths and consider the repurcussions of their decisions. Are you saying that humanity under god is in the same position?
As soon as you have a god who either intervenes or has a plan or plays any part in humanities goings on, then free will becauses nonsensical.
When you believe in the supernarural making sense doesn't carry the meaning. But if you don't believe in supernatural then free will doesn't make sense. Then all your actions are predetermined because free will doesn't fit sensically into your belief system.
I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
- Justice Brett Kavanaugh
When you believe in the supernarural making sense doesn't carry the meaning. But if you don't believe in supernatural then free will doesn't make sense. Then all your actions are predetermined because free will doesn't fit sensically into your belief system.
I literally have no idea what you mean. Not believing in the supernatural means that free will is all there is.
Like I told Molly, I believe he's trying to imply that, if you don't believe in God, you must necessarily be a strict materialist determinist, or whatever you call people who think choice is an after-the-fact label for our meat machines reacting in a theoretically predictable manner.
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