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  • #16
    Originally posted by Oerdin View Post
    I feel a bit conflicted. On one hand junk food is cheap and causes health problems but because it is the most cost effective option many schools decide it is the best they can afford. Also you can serve the healthiest food in the world but if the kids won't eat it then it isn't doing anyone any good. If letting them put ketchup on something gets them to eat it then it might be money well spent even if it isn't culturally pure enough for some.
    I really think the idea is about sugar addiction.

    Children are like sponges. You feed them well and they grow up to like real food.
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    • #17
      Originally posted by Oncle Boris View Post
      As usual, HC is clueless.
      France has one of the lowest rate of McDonald's per capita in the developped world.
      Yet McDonald's France continues to have record setting profits year after year. Sure, you can say they don't have the market penetration there which they have in other places but they're still doing very well and expanding their business.
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      • #18
        Originally posted by Oerdin View Post
        Yet McDonald's France continues to have record setting profits year after year. Sure, you can say they don't have the market penetration there which they have in other places but they're still doing very well and expanding their business.
        I do not deny this.

        I am contending that standards for food in France are higher than pretty much anywhere else in the world. I pointed out that France has relatively few fast food joints, including McD, compared to the rest of the developed world.

        This standing is being threatened by the later-than-usual penetration of large chains. France cares about this though, and they're making the right decision.
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        • #19
          I disagree with Boris completely. Kids grow up loving sweets but as they become adults their tastes become more complex and they open up to other foods. Kids like simpler, sweet tastes and adults prefer other things, it's what happens when you grow up.
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          • #20
            Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
            I disagree with Boris completely. Kids grow up loving sweets but as they become adults their tastes become more complex and they open up to other foods. Kids like simpler, sweet tastes and adults prefer other things, it's what happens when you grow up.
            The tendency you describe is true, however it can be hindered or favored by education.
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            • #21
              Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
              Yes, Fairfax County was obsessed with the whole food nazi thing



              I think at one point the state actually forced them to sell fatty foods again, I don't remember what their reasoning was, but I was supportive



              But they still wouldn't turn on the vending machines until after lunch, which made acquiring soda a matter of sneaking into the teacher's lounge to use the faculty vending machines.
              In California is it illegal to have vending machines or soda sold in schools. Kids can bring it from home but they can't buy it on campus.
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              • #22
                Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
                Yes, Fairfax County was obsessed with the whole food nazi thing

                I think at one point the state actually forced them to sell fatty foods again, I don't remember what their reasoning was, but I was supportive

                But they still wouldn't turn on the vending machines until after lunch, which made acquiring soda a matter of sneaking into the teacher's lounge to use the faculty vending machines.
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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Oerdin View Post
                  In California is it illegal to have vending machines or soda sold in schools. Kids can bring it from home but they can't buy it on campus.
                  Yes, well, we all know how horrible California education is.
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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by MRT144 View Post
                    Scofflaw!
                    Sometimes I actually paid my CS teacher 25 cents a soda to get it for me. The sodas were 75 cents and I'd give him a dollar. He was a pretty awesome CS teacher, by the way.
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                    • #25
                      It's decentralized so some districts are really, really good and others are not so good. None of them sell soda or chips though.

                      Oh, and I have to laugh, I mean really laugh, at states like Alabama or Texas when they claim to have higher No Child Left behind test scores. No Child Left Behind let each state decide on their own standards so while California put in place very high standards of achievement (and so it's test scores are lower) states like Texas and Alabama have laughably low standards so they get very high pass rates on their tests. Sure, if you make the standard that 18 year olds just have to know basic addition, multiplication, and division then everyone will pass while if you require more advanced math more students will fail. California has very high standards so Bill O'Reilly and Fox is full of **** when they claim California's schools are bad while Alabama and Texas's schools are supposedly good. We just require more out of students and in the long run that's better than simply trying to game the system which is all the inferior states are doing.
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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Oerdin View Post
                        It's decentralized so some districts are really, really good and others are not so good.
                        Yeah, I've heard from my roommate (who lives in an LA suburb) that the Bay area ones are really good but the LA ones aren't.
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                        • #27
                          So the French are having silly rules in their school cafeterias? Like that never happens in the US?
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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Oerdin View Post
                            It's decentralized so some districts are really, really good and others are not so good. None of them sell soda or chips though.

                            Oh, and I have to laugh, I mean really laugh, at states like Alabama or Texas when they claim to have higher No Child Left behind test scores. No Child Left Behind let each state decide on their own standards so while California put in place very high standards of achievement (and so it's test scores are lower) states like Texas and Alabama have laughably low standards so they get very high pass rates on their tests. Sure, if you make the standard that 18 year olds just have to know basic addition, multiplication, and division then everyone will pass while if you require more advanced math more students will fail. California has very high standards so Bill O'Reilly and Fox is full of **** when they claim California's schools are bad while Alabama and Texas's schools are supposedly good. We just require more out of students and in the long run that's better than simply trying to game the system which is all the inferior states are doing.
                            I wouldn't say it's so much bull****. However, I'd like to point out that Virginia had standardized testing before NCLB
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                            • #29
                              they claim California's schools are bad while Alabama and Texas's schools are supposedly good.
                              Except that it is true. California's system is notoriously bad, especially when compared with TX. Using the exact same standard, TX comes out on top, every time.
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                              • #30
                                LA Unified is the biggest district in the country covering a huge area with massive numbers of students so, once again, some schools even with in the district do well while others (especially inner city schools filled mostly with recent immigrants or poor minorities) do horrible. It's all about figure out which schools are good (the state has a website with every school listed by type) and then making sure your kids go to the good ones. Also if you're in a county you can legally apply to have your kids sent to any school in the county as long as there is an opening. If you live in an area then you get assured a position in school for your kid but if there are extra positions then they are awarded on a competitive bases (kids with the best GPAs get first pick). It makes the system very competitive so you either have to live in one of the areas with great schools or else you have to have a very good GPA if you want to get in.
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