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    By Kim Willsher, Los Angeles Times
    October 6, 2011

    Reporting from Paris— First France built a wall around its language to protect it from pernicious Anglo-Saxon invaders. Now it is throwing up a shield against another perceived threat to its culture and civilization: ketchup.


    In an effort to promote healthful eating and, it has been suggested, to protect traditional Gallic cuisine, the French government has banned school and college cafeterias nationwide from offering the American tomato-based condiment with any food but — of all things — French fries.

    As a result, students can no longer use ketchup on such traditional dishes as veal stew, no matter how gristly, and boeuf bourguignon, regardless of its fat content.

    Moreover, French fries can be offered only once a week, usually with steak hache, or burger. Not clear is whether the food police will send students to detention if they dip their burgers into the ketchup that accompanies their fries.


    "France must be an example to the world in the quality of its food, starting with its children," said Bruno Le Maire, the agriculture and food minister.

    Ronald Reagan's White House may have considered ketchup — made famous by Henry John "H J." Heinz, who produced the first bottle in 1876 — a vegetable. But Gallic gastronomes view it with the same disdain as American television series, English words and McDonald's restaurants: unwelcome cultural impostors.

    Jacques Hazan, president of the Federation of School Pupils' and College Students' Parents Councils, told the Times of London that the new regulations are a "victory."

    The rules call for school officials to cut down on fatty foods and introduce more vegetables, fruit and dairy products. Four or five dishes must be offered each day with a serving of cooked or raw vegetables, preferably seasonal. Pupils can have unlimited amounts of bread and water.

    Recommendations that included the ketchup cutback were made by government researchers more than four years ago, but the decree took effect only this week, a month after the start of the school year. It applies immediately to all cafeterias in schools and government buildings except those serving fewer than 80 meals a day. Cafeterias must keep records for school health officials of what has been served.

    The rules leave young ketchup lovers here little choice. French schoolchildren are not allowed to bring home-prepared lunches to school and must either eat in the cafeteria or go home for lunch. School and college cafeterias serve 1 billion meals a year, according to the government.

    Le Maire said the changes were introduced because common sense rules on nutrition have not been followed in the nation's schools.

    "Six million children eat in canteens every day, but 1 in 2 of them is still hungry when they leave," he said. "Nutritional rules are neither applied or controlled. We are making them obligatory and we will be keeping an eye on the menus."

    The government acknowledges on its website that fewer than half of college and high school students think the food in school cafeterias is good. At the same time, figures published on the Ministry of Agriculture website say that fewer than half of France's youngsters are getting enough dairy products in their home diet.

    Christophe Hebert, chairman of the National Assn. of Directors of Collective Restaurants, suggested that a large portion of cultural chauvinism is also behind the new rules.

    "Canteens have a public health mission and also an educative mission. We have to ensure that children become familiar with French recipes so that they can hand them down to the following generation," he told the Times of London .

    "We absolutely have to stop children from being able to serve those sorts of sauces to themselves with every meal. Children have a tendency to use them to mask the taste of whatever they are eating."

    "Food is very important here," said Hazan of the parents federation, "and we can't have children eating any old thing."
    I thought they were freedom fries, but there are so many other things to laugh at here.

    Outlaw Ketchup so the can add a serving of vegetables/fruits.

    " Pupils can have unlimited amounts of bread and water."

    Precious.
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    BTW, food in French cafeterias is actually decent.

    It's the French people that are whiny.

    Ketchup is sweet, and teaching children to do away with sugar addiction is a good thing. The article says the rule only applies to grade and middle school, too.
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    • #3
      I'm sure it's just like here in the states. Some cafetieres are good and some are not.
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      • #4
        WTF. ****ing food nazis
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        • #5
          It is only for schools. I've seen some restriction in US schools. But this one seems more on the humorous side.
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          • #6
            The french are the definition of "proud people"
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            • #7
              I don't have a problem with this. Most college students (and even high school kids) don't eat in the cafeteria so they'll no doubt still go the fast food places where they will eat American hamburgers & pizza. The only difference is they'll be spending their own money instead of the state's money. Since the state is providing that food they can make what ever requirements they want just as students have the right to decide to eat something else.

              That high school kids must either eat at the cafeteria or go home is, again, not a problem as I bet half tell their teacher they're going home but really sneak off to McDonald's instead. Last I heard McDonald's and other American fast food establishments were still doing a booming business in France so someone must be eating all those Big Macs and Happy Meals.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by rah View Post
                I'm sure it's just like here in the states. Some cafetieres are good and some are not.
                Honestly, the standards for food in France are very high, much higher than in the US, that's for sure.
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                • #9
                  Yet they seem to love mcdonald's there
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by rah View Post
                    It is only for schools. I've seen some restriction in US schools. But this one seems more on the humorous side.
                    Yes, Fairfax County was obsessed with the whole food nazi thing

                    I think at one point the state actually forced them to sell fatty foods again, I don't remember what their reasoning was, but I was supportive

                    But they still wouldn't turn on the vending machines until after lunch, which made acquiring soda a matter of sneaking into the teacher's lounge to use the faculty vending machines.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by MRT144 View Post
                      The french are the definition of "proud people"
                      "proud people" and "delusional" go together well.

                      And Yes Oerdin, I really don't have a problem with it either. I just found it amusing. Especially after the past incident in our congressional cafeteria.
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                      • #12
                        As usual, HC is clueless.
                        France has one of the lowest rate of McDonald's per capita in the developped world.
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                        • #13
                          That still equates to "more than you can shake a Happy Meal at".
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                          • #14
                            No.

                            Bordeaux, a city of 700,000, had 3 McDonalds when I lived there.

                            How many Canadian and US cities have that few McDs?

                            Besides, my point stands, less McDs means standards are higher.
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                            • #15
                              I feel a bit conflicted. On one hand junk food is cheap and causes health problems but because it is the most cost effective option many schools decide it is the best they can afford. Also you can serve the healthiest food in the world but if the kids won't eat it then it isn't doing anyone any good. If letting them put ketchup on something gets them to eat it then it might be money well spent even if it isn't culturally pure enough for some.
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