So why exactly is Israeli slaughtering protesters?

[Docfeelgood]

We have two secret weapons

[Asher]

Shut up.

[Boris Godunov]

If we're just going purely off LITERAL skin complexion like Asher, loinburger, and Boris want to... well, let's see...

Why are you bringing me into this? You asked who had a darker complexion, Bush or Abdullah. I answered. You even provided a second picture that clearly showed that Abdullah had a noticeably darker complexion than Bush. Don't blame me because you posted a pic to undermine your own argument.

[Docfeelgood]

Shut up.

[Dinner]

Oh, you can't be serious... INVASION...organized on Facebook and perpetrated by unarmed youths?

Seriously, what would you do if a country you were at war with had tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of people trying to rush across the frontier and enter the country illegally with the stated purpose of destroying your country?

[Dinner]

Laughable only on terms of scale. The point is it is a closed and armed border. You march against it, you're going to get shot. It's a darwin award waiting to happen... scratch that. It's a darwin award that has happened.

I have to agree.

[Asher]

Seriously, what would you do if a country you were at war with had tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of people trying to rush across the frontier and enter the country illegally with the stated purpose of destroying your country?

If they were unarmed civilians? Capture them and incarcerate them. Or discourage them from entering via non-lethal force.

I'd like to hear you explain how a couple hundred unarmed protesters could destroy Israel.

[Dinner]

Yeah, how exactly do 100 or so soldiers capture or incarcerate tens of thousands of rioters who would not be the least bit cooperative? Let's say Israel had 1000 soldiers at that point over even 5000. That still doesn't change anything because they're still vastly outnumbered by a hostile mob. The real world doesn't work like your theoretical world were everyone acts like a peaceful and reasonable Canadian.

[Asher]

Yeah, how exactly do 100 or so soldiers capture or incarcerate tens of thousands of rioters who would not be the least bit cooperative?

Where the **** do you get these numbers? Also, considering this event was planned in advance and there was a prior incident, any lack of preparations are Israel's blunder. They are not a victim of circumstance, they are the architect of it.

Do any pro-Israel posters live in reality?

Also, in what way are these "rioters"? Do you understand what rioting is? The only real violence I saw was gunfire. And not from the protesters (sorry, "rioters").

[Dinner]

I'd like to hear you explain how a couple hundred unarmed protesters could destroy Israel.

They're trying to encourage the entire Palestinian population in neighboring states to pick up their stuff and move to Israel. If that kind of demographic change happened then, yes, Israel as a viable political identity would be destroyed. Now, if these groups were allowed to just walk across the border into Israel then there would be massive numbers of copy cats and that very well could lead to catastrophe for Israel so it is better to nip this thing in the bud and make sure everyone knows the borders are real and charging them is suicidal.

[Dinner]

Where the **** do you get these numbers? Also, considering this event was planned in advance and there was a prior incident, any lack of preparations are Israel's blunder. They are not a victim of circumstance, they are the architect of it.

Do any pro-Israel posters live in reality?

Also, in what way are these "rioters"? Do you understand what rioting is? The only real violence I saw was gunfire. And not from the protesters (sorry, "rioters").

I told you the numbers don't really matter (that's why I offered 100, 1000, or 5000 at one given point as examples). The reality is the few security personnel were greatly outnumbered so it's absurd to claim they could do much different from what they actually did do. These "protests" have been all over the west bank and at Israel's borders not just at one location. Read my post, think about it, and then get back to me.

[giblets]

They're trying to encourage the entire Palestinian population in neighboring states to pick up their stuff and move to Israel. If that kind of demographic change happened then, yes, Israel as a viable political identity would be destroyed.

Why? They could just keep the arab majority disenfranchised like they already do.

[Whoha]

How can the Israelis not have some American made teargas? Are they just saving it?

[Dinner]

Why? They could just keep the arab majority disenfranchised like they already do.

Not true. Citizens get to vote and Arabs make up 20%-30% of Israeli citizens. The West Bank and Gaza have never been part of Israel and they have their own Palestinian Authority which runs it's own elections or rather did until Hamas executed everyone who was politically active in Gaza who didn't support them. Read up on it, they were literally throwing Palestinians off of roof tops, dragging them behind cars, or simply executing Palestinians who didn't support Hamas. That's a Palestinian problem not an Israeli problem since Israel pulled out of Gaza.

[Zevico]

Here's an article from Ha'aretz (a left-wing Israeli newspaper):

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/idf-only-a-few-live-bullets-fired-during-naksa-day-protest-on-syria-border-1.366300

An Israel Defense Forces investigation into the violent clashes on the border with Israel revealed on Monday that troops had been limited in their use of sniper fire, only firing a few live bullets at the protesters trying to breach the border.

Syria said on Monday that 23 people were killed in Sunday's "Naksa Day" rally, commemorating 44 years since the 1967 Six-Day War. Israel captured Syria's Golan Heights in that conflict, as well as the West Bank and the Gaza Strip.
Syrian demonstrators flee border - AFP - June 5, 2011

Demonstrators flee from IDF teargas along Syria's border with Israel while trying to cut through a line of barbed wire, as seen from Majdal Shams, on June 5, 2011.
Photo by: AFP

Senior IDF officials told Haaretz that the army's operation was carried out in a way to reduce the number of injuries among the protesters.

According to the IDF inquiry, a number of Syrian protesters had been killed when Molotov cocktails which the protesters had been throwing set off an anti-tank minefield, near the border town of Quneitra.

The IDF said that since all the casualties were on the Syrian side of the border it was unable to provide an exact count, but it expressed great skepticism about the Syrian figures. Soldiers fired "with precision" at the bottom half of the bodies of the protesters, the army said.

The army accused the Syrian government of creating a deliberate provocation in an effort to divert world attention from its ongoing bloody repression of pro-democracy protests at home.

The IDF had prepared for mass infiltration attempts along every possible border on Sunday, but the main attempts occurred at two locations in the Golan, Majdal Shams and the Quneitra crossing.

In contrast to Nakba Day - when the IDF was caught unprepared, with only a handful of troops on the normally quiet border - two full battalions were stationed at Majdal Shams Sunday, and a third at Quneitra. They were backed by police officers as well as by dogs and dog handlers from the IDF's canine unit.

The IDF had also reinforced the border with extra barbed wire and deepened the ditch between the double fence.

Syrian police officers in the area simply stood aside and let the marchers pass. The protesters were accompanied by crews from Syria's government TV station.

When the protesters neared the border at Majdal Shams, IDF officers told them in Arabic to stop, as continuing could endanger their lives. When dozens nevertheless kept going, soldiers started firing into the air. When the marchers reached the first fence, snipers were ordered to fire at their legs from about 200 meters away.

At Quneitra, in contrast, soldiers mainly used nonlethal weaponry like tear gas and rubber-tipped bullets, with which all troops along the border had been equipped following the Nakba Day incidents. The use of nonlethal means was possible because the confrontations took place at much closer range.

The IDF acknowledged that "dozens" of marchers were hurt, but said the Syrian figure of 23 dead sounded highly unlikely.