Why do 90% of black people vote for Democrats?

[Felch]

Both named after the Niger River, Ben, we discussed this already. Neither is called ******stan, which is the real issue that we're discussing.

[Ben Kenobi]

Uhm... in his life, this man surely had people arbitrarily executed.

Not for trying to practice their religion. The man saw the passing of the bill banning the slave trade. Long before Lincoln. Way back in 1808. That, alone, puts him in the top tier of Kings of England.

[Ben Kenobi]

Both named after the Niger River, Ben, we discussed this already. Neither is called ******stan, which is the real issue that we're discussing.

And both simply mean 'black'.

Look, your argument is dumb. If Paki isn't a pejorative than neither is ******. Arguing that ****** is a pejorative and Paki is not, makes no sense.

Arguing that they both are, fine, but I don't think that's a very solid position either, because both use that amongst themselves as a way to describe themselves.

If you are choosing to use the word, then don't be surprised if people call you out on that.

[kentonio]

Felch stop being retarded. Pakistani people spent decades being beaten up, harassed and discriminated against with the word 'paki' being spat at them. This understandably pisses them the **** off. You being neither Pakistani or British really don't have any grounds whatsoever to tell the British Pakistani community that they don't have a right to be offended any more than you get to tell black folks that the 'n' word is ok.

You use that **** over here in the wrong place, and you will get stabbed. Seriously.

[Hauldren Collider]

I'm with Felch here. Also, it should be noted that there's a huge double standard with the N word that I think is pathetically stupid. The inability of people to ignore racial slurs baffles me.

[Elok]

Uhm... in his life, this man surely had people arbitrarily executed.

BK, I say this in the most honest, non-trolling way possible. I know that in your heart, you truly believe you are a good, Christian human being. I think you believe in God. I think you believe in a universal "goodness".

So how... how on Earth... how on God's green Earth could George III (or any other King) be considered a "good" person.

Ordering a person's death is murder.

That man is in hell. Satan is stabbing his balls with red hot pokers (if there is a God in heaven, that is) as we speak.

So explain this to me. And don't give me any of this deathbed confession bull****. That **** don't fly.

Okay, it looks like BK is going to nitpick away the argument. I'd just like to point out that you make a number of claims here that traditional Christianity, particularly the Orthodox variety we both grew up in, has a contradictory or else more nuanced view of, particularly:

1. Deathbed confessions being invalid--this is a matter of basic outlook, really
2. The death penalty being always wrong
3. Kings being necessarily bad people, assuming that it is possible for a human being to be really "good" in the first place
4. This is a really dinky point, but when exactly people go to Hell ("right now" or otherwise) is a matter of doctrinal dispute.

Not trying to start an argument, it just struck me that you're basing your position on assumptions that Christians in general, let alone BK, are unlikely to share. Gotta go, I have classes to teach. Sorry if this is a half-assed post.

[Sava]

You sure you want to start a complex moral argument with BK?

Complex? There is nothing complex about "murderers are bad and go to hell".

In my heart of hearts, I still tend to revert to my Orthodox upbringing despite the more agnostic approach I will acknowledge as intellectually valid. So I am able to effectively talk to even the most fundamentalist of religionista and engage in a non-troll discussion because those Christian values are the foundation of my moral framework... if only on an emotional level.

It's quite wonderful, actually... it allows me to play both sides of the coin. I don't have to be a complete moron. And... I'm not going to hell.

But I digress... my point was that there was a general lack of complexity in my original point to BK.

bad people = hell

And I'm trying to wrap my head around BK's apparent hyper-religiousity and apparent lack of... well... basic morality.

Or does BK lend credence to the notion that a proper belief in God, or adherence to universal goodness, require that one divorce such a thought from the intellect? Or rather, delegate one's faith to the emotions rather than the logical brain?

I mean, when given enough time to think about something, I could get myself to logically justify putting bunnies in a blender. So the same part of my brain that accepts perfectly reasonable and rational methods of data analysis is not necessarily the best tool for making decisions, strategic planning, organization, etc.

[Sava]

Not for trying to practice their religion.

First of all, the King was traditionally the richest person in the country. Second, Jesus didn't include a "but" anywhere when he said don't commit murder.

You need to reread Matthew 18-19. When the church is sinful, treat them like pagans... i.e. Catholic child molesters. Second, the rich are evil. The King is rich... therefore evil... let alone a murderous dickhole.

Freeing slaves doesn't absolve him of other sins. It doesn't work that way. Yeah, free the slaves. BUT DONT MURDER PEOPLE.

[Felch]

And both simply mean 'black'.

Look, your argument is dumb. If Paki isn't a pejorative than neither is ******. Arguing that ****** is a pejorative and Paki is not, makes no sense.

Arguing that they both are, fine, but I don't think that's a very solid position either, because both use that amongst themselves as a way to describe themselves.

If you are choosing to use the word, then don't be surprised if people call you out on that.

Felch stop being retarded. Pakistani people spent decades being beaten up, harassed and discriminated against with the word 'paki' being spat at them. This understandably pisses them the **** off. You being neither Pakistani or British really don't have any grounds whatsoever to tell the British Pakistani community that they don't have a right to be offended any more than you get to tell black folks that the 'n' word is ok.

You use that **** over here in the wrong place, and you will get stabbed. Seriously.

What about calling them Paks? Is that horrible? It would at least follow the ****ing pattern.

Look I'm sorry that the British are horrible. They were horrible to some of my ancestors too. But I'm not British, and I don't say Pak or Paki with any special hatred in my heart. I'm peeved that the ISI supports terrorism and is complicit in the killing of Americans, but I can understand that the typical Paki is not involved in that sort of business. I don't say Paki because it's offensive, I say it because it's the only reasonable way to describe somebody from Pakistan. If Pak is the preferred word, I'm happy to change. It's got fewer letters, and it fits the pattern with all the other -stans. I'm not going to call Afghans "Afghanistanis."

And kentonio, I'd never go to your country anyways, not until the right to bear arms is honored and the Crown is worn by a Catholic.

[kentonio]

You want the people you call pakis to have guns?!

[Felch]

An armed society is a polite society.

[kentonio]

Debatable, but lets avoid taking this thread on its 20th different threadjack by heading into 2nd Amendment crap.

[giblets]

Calling somebody a Pakistani is contrary to standard English morphology. It comes across as grotesque to anybody with any common sense. The suffix -(i)stan should be dropped. If the preferred term were "Paks," I'd be fine with that, since that follows the pattern. But Pakistani is ****ing barbaric.

Congratulations, you identified a social convention that is stupid. Lots of social conventions are stupid, like sending people to prison for growing marijuana in their home and smoking it. However a semantic inconsistency, unlike the persecution of pot smokers, isn't really worth fighting.

[giblets]

An armed society is a polite society.

So Somalia must be one of the most polite societies in the world?

[Felch]

Point is, I don't hate Paks, and I don't want to deprive them of rights. I trust the typical Pak, just as I trust the typical Greek or Korean.

For the record, Pak is growing on me. Half the syllables, 100% of the meaning.