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  • Will there be a coup? now that he said he will not step down?

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    • He'll be lucky if he doesn't get shot.
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      He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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      • Originally posted by SlowwHand View Post
        He'll be lucky if he doesn't get shot.
        Again, I'd say that the army doesn't want Uncle Sugar to turn off the tap. If it comes down to us telling Mubarak he needs to leave or no more military aid, he's gonna get the boot.
        Today, you are the waves of the Pacific, pushing ever eastward. You are the sequoias rising from the Sierra Nevada, defiant and enduring.

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        • Wow, that was really something yesterday. Lotsa Breaking News about stuff NOT happening.
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          • Originally posted by SpencerH View Post
            The best thing for Egypt now (after Mubarraks speech) is for a "soft" military coup. The other alternatives are a disaster.
            What exactly makes a coup "soft"?
            Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.

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            • Originally posted by Oerdin View Post
              What exactly makes a coup "soft"?
              I'm guessing you've never seen how the Thais do military coups.
              Today, you are the waves of the Pacific, pushing ever eastward. You are the sequoias rising from the Sierra Nevada, defiant and enduring.

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              • Originally posted by Lonestar View Post
                Again, I'd say that the army doesn't want Uncle Sugar to turn off the tap. If it comes down to us telling Mubarak he needs to leave or no more military aid, he's gonna get the boot.
                Apparently the Saudis have already said that if the US did this, that they'd step in and fill in the gap.

                One of the most stark things to come out of this whole thing, is how appallingly ineffectual and wrong-footed the US has been throughout this entire event - hardly becoming of a superpower, really...
                Is it me, or is MOBIUS a horrible person?

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                • Anyway, as far as I can tell, Mubarak has virtually stepped down in all but name only in favour of Suleiman. He is mostly just a figurehead now.

                  This is basically the best possible decision you're gonna get now, because if the army was going to get rid of him, they would have done it by now. If people know what's good for them, they should go home now and focus on preparing for the elections in September.
                  Is it me, or is MOBIUS a horrible person?

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                  • Originally posted by MOBIUS View Post
                    Apparently the Saudis have already said that if the US did this, that they'd step in and fill in the gap.

                    One of the most stark things to come out of this whole thing, is how appallingly ineffectual and wrong-footed the US has been throughout this entire event - hardly becoming of a superpower, really...
                    I hate to say I agree with you.

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                    • Originally posted by Oerdin View Post
                      What exactly makes a coup "soft"?
                      Same basic regime. Different military leaders in charge. Soft because mubarak suleiman also military.
                      "You say that it is your custom to burn widows. Very well. We also have a custom: when men burn a woman alive, we tie a rope around their necks and we hang them. Build your funeral pyre; beside it, my carpenters will build a gallows. You may follow your custom. And then we will follow ours."--General Sir Charles James Napier

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                      • Originally posted by Docfeelgood View Post
                        Will there be a coup? now that he said he will not step down?
                        No one knows. Other possibility is army crackdown.
                        "You say that it is your custom to burn widows. Very well. We also have a custom: when men burn a woman alive, we tie a rope around their necks and we hang them. Build your funeral pyre; beside it, my carpenters will build a gallows. You may follow your custom. And then we will follow ours."--General Sir Charles James Napier

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                        • If the public knows what's good for them, they should go home. Now.
                          Is it me, or is MOBIUS a horrible person?

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                          • Originally posted by MOBIUS View Post
                            So, next predictions...

                            Is this actually the end of Mubarak, or just a bunch of rumours?

                            Is Mubarak-lite replacing him, or the Army?

                            Will there be democratic elections before September, in September, or later now because of this potential extra step in the transfer of power?

                            Is Mubarak still in the country or has he left already?

                            If he leaves, where is he going to go?

                            So many possibilities! Who wants to start predicting what happens next?
                            I've got another one, Sadat was assassinated by an army lieutenant and some soldiers. Perhaps Mubarak didn't say exactly what the Army intended him to yesterday - if they've been out manoeuvred, perhaps this could be the 'silver bullet' to solve everything...? Or an idealistic junior officer...?

                            Highly unlikely though.
                            Is it me, or is MOBIUS a horrible person?

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                            • Originally posted by MOBIUS View Post
                              I've got another one, Sadat was assassinated by an army lieutenant and some soldiers. Perhaps Mubarak didn't say exactly what the Army intended him to yesterday - if they've been out manoeuvred, perhaps this could be the 'silver bullet' to solve everything...? Or an idealistic junior officer...?

                              Highly unlikely though.
                              Note assassination was undertaken by officer who was a muslim brotherhood sympathiser.
                              Possibly as brotherhood attempt to overthrow regime after peace w/ israelis.
                              Brotherhood coup a possibility but again we may not know of likelihood until it happens
                              "You say that it is your custom to burn widows. Very well. We also have a custom: when men burn a woman alive, we tie a rope around their necks and we hang them. Build your funeral pyre; beside it, my carpenters will build a gallows. You may follow your custom. And then we will follow ours."--General Sir Charles James Napier

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                              • Originally posted by Oerdin View Post
                                What exactly makes a coup "soft"?
                                The military is already the power behind the throne. A soft coup would be one where they remove the civilian government, form an interim military government, then relinquish power after elections in the fall.
                                We need seperate human-only games for MP/PBEM that dont include the over-simplifications required to have a good AI
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                                Just one old soldiers opinion. E Tenebris Lux. Pax quaeritur bello.

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