US Gun Laws

[Cort Haus]

I'm more concerned about escaped, rampaging woolly mammoths.

[Cort Haus]

The Japanese mammoths that is. We also need to develop our own. We must not allow a woolly mammoth gap!!

[Elok]

What, you think they'll be woolly bullies about it?

[The Mad Monk]

I think I just found a use for the thirty round clip.

[Felch]

I was just reading about the murder of Jean Charles de Menezes by the British police. For those of you who forgot, he was a Brazilian worker in London who was gunned down by a police hit squad and made out to be a terrorist by their propaganda machine. After the truth came to light, the gunman who murdered Menezes was protected by the same department that sent him out to kill. "C12" was never tried in open court. It's sad that the Brits on this board think that guns should be limited to the very people who will never be held accountable for their actions.

You see, if an American citizen grabs his handgun and murders an unarmed man because "I thought he was a terrorist," then that citizen would be arrested and brought to justice. If a British police officer does the same thing, his identity is concealed, and everyone involved is cleared of wrongdoing by some politically motivated committee. Why is the British system better than the American one?

[Felch]

18 people... that's an impressive list.

I've murdered zero people. But you trust the police more than you trust me?

[Elok]

To be fair, I bet an American police officer could unload into someone and cry terrorist after the fact as well. Depending on the race and connections of the person shot.

[Felch]

Yeah, but if he weren't held accountable by the authorities, he could be held accountable by an angry and heavily armed mob.

[Elok]

And by "held accountable," you mean "they start rioting & looting stores," like after Rodney King?

[The Mad Monk]

AHA! Another use for a thirty round magazine!!!

Those stores won't defend themselves, after all.

[Elok]

...hosing down rioters? Not following you, here.

Ah, is that what they call DanSing? Anyway, opening fire on rioters is an act of debatable wisdom.

[Cort Haus]

I was just reading about the murder of Jean Charles de Menezes by the British police. For those of you who forgot, he was a Brazilian worker in London who was gunned down by a police hit squad and made out to be a terrorist by their propaganda machine. After the truth came to light, the gunman who murdered Menezes was protected by the same department that sent him out to kill. "C12" was never tried in open court. It's sad that the Brits on this board think that guns should be limited to the very people who will never be held accountable for their actions.

You see, if an American citizen grabs his handgun and murders an unarmed man because "I thought he was a terrorist," then that citizen would be arrested and brought to justice. If a British police officer does the same thing, his identity is concealed, and everyone involved is cleared of wrongdoing by some politically motivated committee. Why is the British system better than the American one?

This is irrelevant bollocks, and slightly hysterical too. There was no 'propaganda machine' as such. You make it sound like the police were ramping up public support for bombing and invading a foreign country. There was an incompetent and panic-fuelled mistake, leading to the tragic death of an innocent man, followed by a certain amount of bull**** and spin from the authorities.

The fact that the authorities failed to deal with a fatally-bungled security operation properly bears no resemblance whatsoever to your straw-man scenario of one civilian shooting another, while claiming he thought the victim was a terrorist. Law enforcement and security is the job of the police. If they are incompetent, and are subsequently protected by the state, then this is indeed a problem, but it has nothing to do with the issue of gun control as being discussed in this thread.

In fact your post was nothing but nationalistic flag waving in response to a few British posters observing that we have very few shootings in our country, and that we have very few guns. :shrug:

I personally have not advocated a position wrt US gun control not least because I recognise that there is an entirely different historical and cultural context.

[Asher]

I knew a guy who killed a burglar.
Really bothered him, but it was him or THEM.
make a long story short......
He had them at gun point waiting for the police..
The dead guy told the others that he was bluffing and would not shoot.
He jump at my friend and he found out the hard way.... he was not bluffing.

+1 firearm homicide in the good ol USA

[Cort Haus]

I should also add that Felch omits to mention the context of the Menezes killing, which was two weeks after the 7/7 bombings.

And of course, no innocent people anywhere in the world died as a result of US response to the terrorist attacks in New York and Washington.

[Asher]

I was just reading about the murder of Jean Charles de Menezes by the British police. For those of you who forgot, he was a Brazilian worker in London who was gunned down by a police hit squad and made out to be a terrorist by their propaganda machine. After the truth came to light, the gunman who murdered Menezes was protected by the same department that sent him out to kill. "C12" was never tried in open court. It's sad that the Brits on this board think that guns should be limited to the very people who will never be held accountable for their actions.

You see, if an American citizen grabs his handgun and murders an unarmed man because "I thought he was a terrorist," then that citizen would be arrested and brought to justice. If a British police officer does the same thing, his identity is concealed, and everyone involved is cleared of wrongdoing by some politically motivated committee. Why is the British system better than the American one?

I'm utterly confused. What does this have to do with gun rights?

Are you saying if that Brazilian was armed, he'd not have been shot being mistaken for a terrorist?

If anything, I'd think the fact that every retarded redneck in your country is armed to the teeth would make the odds that people get gunned down more often as "suspected terrists"

That would be a shining example of why the British system is better.