US Gun Laws

[Asher]

FWIW, a redneck Christian wielding a shotgun is probably closer to a terrorist in my mind than your average unarmed Muslim.

There's been many instances of anti-gay violence using firearms in the USA, including shootings at gay clubs, etc. I call that terrorism, and I think that's far less likely to happen if your average redneck can't get his hands on handguns at ****ing Walmart.

[The Mad Monk]

I got my hands on handguns at Cabela's.

[Felch]

I'm utterly confused. What does this have to do with gun rights?

The British people are disarmed and pacified. The British police kill without consequence. This is exactly what gun rights are for. We don't bear arms to fight crime, we bear arms to fight our own government.

If that baffles you, it's because the Royal propaganda machine that Cort denies exists has gotten to you too.

Let me give an example of the British propaganda machine:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-12173614

That's a recent BBC piece on gun control. They interview one person, a gun control advocate, and he treats the second amendment as a historic anomaly of frontier life, and ignores the 1689 Bill of Rights and common law traditions. That sort of bull**** makes Fox News look respectable.

As far as Christian rednecks being terrorists, you're absolutely right, Asher. They're bad people. And like all terrorists, the world would be better off without them. Why not arm yourselves, and shoot the bastards? Nobody ever treated the Spartans or the Sacred Band of Thebes with any disrespect. Prove to the world that homosexual isn't the same thing as sissy.

[giblets]

The British people are disarmed and pacified. The British police kill without consequence. This is exactly what gun rights are for. We don't bear arms to fight crime, we bear arms to fight our own government.

If that baffles you, it's because the Royal propaganda machine that Cort denies exists has gotten to you too.

Let me give an example of the British propaganda machine . . .

This is all tongue-in-cheek, right?

[Felch]

I am serious.

[giblets]

You seriously think the UK is some kind of police state

[Asher]

You seriously think the UK is some kind of police state

If we outlaw giving guns to crazies, only crazies will have guns.

[KrazyHorse]

+1 firearm homicide in the good ol USA

-1 burglar
x burglars deterred

If 1+x is big enough,

[Cort Haus]

The British people are disarmed and pacified. The British police kill without consequence. This is exactly what gun rights are for. We don't bear arms to fight crime, we bear arms to fight our own government.

If that baffles you, it's because the Royal propaganda machine that Cort denies exists has gotten to you too.

Royal propaganda machine

Newsflash: the Queen doesn't actually run the country any more. Get back to 1776.

We have state propaganda, yes, and there have been spectacular examples of this in wars over the last decade or so, but the de Menezes shooting has nothing to do with that. We had just had a massacre on the tube network. The Police were in a state of panic and wrongly executed a guy they mistakenly thought was about to kill another bunch of people.

It's hysterically cynical to use an error in a moment of high terrorist alert to paint an absurd picture of a police state going around slaughtering it's "pacified" civilians in some kind of perverted death-splurge.

Maybe Rodney King should have had a machine gun to defend himself with, eh?

[Cort Haus]

Honestly Felch, I wouldn't mind having some of what you're smoking because it's obviously good enough to create some highly vivid and entertaining alternative realities.

[Asher]

-1 burglar
x burglars deterred

If 1+x is big enough,

If the burglars were deterred from rampant firearms, it sure doesn't show in crime statistics.

[Egbert]

Firearms are rampant in Somalia. I am unable to present statistical evidence showing how tranquil the country is due to the abundance of guns. Anyway, I believe the Somali's have, and still do, use their guns to fight the government.

[KrazyHorse]

IIRC, burglaries are somewhat less frequent in the US than in Canada (I may be wrong on this)

Even to maintain an equal prevalence, given the US' higher inequality levels, is interesting...

[Felch]

Royal propaganda machine

Newsflash: the Queen doesn't actually run the country any more. Get back to 1776.

Direct Royal control was over by the time James II was chased out. But that doesn't mean that the queen isn't the head of state, and symbolic leader of the kingdom. I use Royal in that sense, like Royal Air Force.

We have state propaganda, yes, and there have been spectacular examples of this in wars over the last decade or so, but the de Menezes shooting has nothing to do with that. We had just had a massacre on the tube network. The Police were in a state of panic and wrongly executed a guy they mistakenly thought was about to kill another bunch of people.

They tackled him, and while he was pinned, they fired seven shots into his head. You're okay with this? Maybe because you were lied to and convinced that the police were "just doing their best."

In the aftermath of the shooting MPS officials "made or concurred with inaccurate public statements concerning the circumstances of the death. The alleged inaccurate information included statements that Mr de Menezes had been wearing clothing and behaving in a manner which aroused suspicions." Here's the Stockwell 2 report, starting at page 56 you'll see that the police gradually get caught in their lies and are forced to backtrack.

It's hysterically cynical to use an error in a moment of high terrorist alert to paint an absurd picture of a police state going around slaughtering it's "pacified" civilians in some kind of perverted death-splurge.

So, if the government puts everybody on alert, and now the cops can shoot innocent people without any consequences? The gunmen who shot Menezes seven times in the head were never prosecuted. The Coroner's Inquiry's jury was instructed not to come to a verdict of "unlawful killing." Your country's legal system and its safeguards are a joke.

Maybe Rodney King should have had a machine gun to defend himself with, eh?

If you think I'd disagree with this, then you obviously haven't been paying attention. I have nothing but contempt for abusive police, and I believe that any society that tolerates police abuse is sowing the seeds of its own destruction. Corrupt and abusive cops should die.

Look, your country lacks basic freedoms. You have police kettling non-violent protesters and treating politically active citizens like criminals. You have ASBO laws that ignore standards of evidence with regards to hearsay. You have had your guns taken away. You have police who murder men in cold blood and are whitewashed by corrupt politicians. You even have publicly financed mass media and an established national church. Yet you retrograde sheep think you can tell Americans how we are to govern ourselves?

I would never want to live in a country like yours. I'm happy with America the way it is, and if I were to make changes they'd be in the opposite direction.

[SlowwHand]

If the burglars were deterred from rampant firearms, it sure doesn't show in crime statistics.

Burglars, for the most part, are docile criminals. They generally strike when the home or business is uninhabited.
Home invasion isn't the same. These people are violent, and do it for the violence more than the ransacking.