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  • #121
    Originally posted by Braindead View Post
    I am in agreement with HC's reasons why a government must keep certain things confidential. I can particularly relate to the bit about keeping bargaining positions under wraps. (I would love to know exactly how much the other dudes will pay when negotiating a contract).

    OTH Governments seem to like "in commercial confidence" clauses to keep contracts secret from the voters. Or am I being a tad cynical?

    HC I can see where Asher is coming from. The "need for secrecy" can be abused by guvmint to disinform the public. (Therefore it almost certainly will be).
    HC's post is a massive strawman.

    I believe US government employees, acting to form US foreign policies with far-ranging ramifications, ought to be held publicly accountable for their actions. They are representing the people, not ruling them.

    That's not the same thing as saying the US should opensource the blueprints to nuclear weapons.
    "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
    Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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    • #122
      Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
      Of course, and there are plenty of instances in American history where the government has gone too far.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA_PATRIOT_Act
      "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
      Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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      • #123
        Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
        Says the man who is constantly talking about how we just never hear about those Canadian saboteurs because they're so good.

        xpost
        Has your brain developed enough to recognize obvious facetiousness?

        In the interest of full disclosure, we do not actually possess something called Stealth Nation Technology either.
        "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
        Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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        • #124
          Originally posted by Asher View Post
          Being lectured by an incredibly sheltered 18 year old highschool student, especially with that comment, really makes my day.
          FTFY

          (as of today! )
          If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
          ){ :|:& };:

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          • #125
            Originally posted by Asher View Post
            Has your brain developed enough to recognize obvious facetiousness?

            In the interest of full disclosure, we do not actually possess something called Stealth Nation Technology either.
            'twas a joke, Asher, sorry you didn't catch it.
            If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
            ){ :|:& };:

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            • #126
              Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
              'twas a joke, Asher, sorry you didn't catch it.
              Jokes require humour.
              "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
              Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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              • #127
                By the way, cake is tasty. mmm.
                If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
                ){ :|:& };:

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                • #128
                  Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
                  By the way, cake is tasty. mmm.
                  I'm surprised sugar isn't on your no-no list along with alcohol.
                  "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                  Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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                  • #129
                    Originally posted by Asher View Post
                    I'm surprised sugar isn't on your no-no list along with alcohol.
                    I'm not a diabetic....and it's sodium those damn liberals are trying to ban.
                    If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
                    ){ :|:& };:

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                    • #130
                      Which is sadder, the authoritarian mindset in this country that prevents HC from legally buying alcohol or the fact that it doesn't matter?

                      edit: damn, beaten to the punch

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                      • #131
                        Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
                        I'm not a diabetic....and it's sodium those damn liberals are trying to ban.
                        I'm referring to your life dedicated to not wanting anything fun or enjoyable
                        "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                        Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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                        • #132
                          Originally posted by gribbler View Post
                          Which is sadder, the authoritarian mindset in this country that prevents HC from legally buying alcohol or the fact that it doesn't matter?
                          When have I ever disagreed with reducing the drinking age?
                          If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
                          ){ :|:& };:

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                          • #133
                            Originally posted by Asher View Post
                            I'm referring to your life dedicated to not wanting anything fun or enjoyable
                            I'm a bit offended that you think you know better than I what is fun and enjoyable.

                            Next you'll be saying the government should decide what people should find enjoyable. Authoritarianism
                            If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
                            ){ :|:& };:

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                            • #134
                              Originally posted by Asher View Post
                              HC's post is a massive strawman.

                              I believe US government employees, acting to form US foreign policies with far-ranging ramifications, ought to be held publicly accountable for their actions. They are representing the people, not ruling them.

                              That's not the same thing as saying the US should opensource the blueprints to nuclear weapons.
                              I think there are some things that need to be kept under wraps. I am also in favour of public accountability. The question is "where do we draw the line"? What is to secret and what is to be public?

                              I think we all agree that nuclear codes should be secret. We do not seem to agree whether treaty negotiations should be completely open. We might all agree that, if we were negotiating to buy something, we shouldn't disclose exactly how much we would pay thus eliminating the possibility of getting it at a lower price. Perhaps part of this argument is semantic. Where do we draw the line?

                              Happy birthday HC

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                              • #135
                                Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
                                When have I ever disagreed with reducing the drinking age?
                                It's probably only a matter of time before you do, given your track record.

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