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  • #16
    I could see this ending with a resignation:

    Hillary Clinton ordered American officials to spy on high ranking UN diplomats, including British representatives.

    Top secret cables revealed that Mrs Clinton, the Secretary of State, even ordered diplomats to obtain DNA data – including iris scans and fingerprints - as well as credit card and frequent flier numbers.

    All permanent members of the security council – including Russia, China, France and the UK – were targeted by the secret spying mission, as well as the Secretary General of the UN, Ban Ki-Moon.


    Work schedules, email addresses, fax numbers, website identifiers and mobile numbers were also demanded by Washington.

    The US also wanted ‘biographic and biometric information on UN Security Council permanent representatives’.

    The request could break international law and threatens to derail any trust between the US and other powerful nations.

    Requests for IT related information – such as details of passwords, personal encryption keys and network upgrades - could also raise suspicions that the US was preparing to mount a hacking operation.

    It is set to lead to international calls for Mrs Clinton to resign.

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    The fishing expedition was ordered by Mrs Clinton in July 2009, but followed similar demands made by her predecessor, Condoleeza Rice.

    Mrs Clinton called for biometric details ‘on key UN officials, to include undersecretaries, heads of specialised agencies and their chief advisers, top SYG [secretary general] aides, heads of peace operations and political field missions, including force commanders’.

    She also wanted intelligence on Ban Ki-Moon’s ‘management and decision-making style and his influence on the secretariat’.

    Cables were sent to US embassies in the UN, Middle East, Eastern Europe and Latin America.
    America has always handed over information about top foreign officials to the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA).

    But the request by Mrs Clinton paves the way for officials to be more closely spied upon, with even their travel plans tracked by US diplomats.

    In what could discredit the US’s role in the Middle East peace process, missions in Israel, Jordan, Syria, Saudi Arabia and Egypt were asked to gather biometric information ‘on key Palestinian Authority and Hamas leaders and representatives, to include the young guard inside Gaza, the West Bank’.

    Details of the US spying mission were sent to the CIA, the US Secret Service and the FBI under the heading ‘collection requirements and tasking’.

    International treaties ban spying at the UN.

    The 1946 UN convention on privileges and immunities states: ‘The premises of the United Nations shall be inviolable. The property and assets of the United Nations, wherever located and by whomsoever held, shall be immune from search, requisition, confiscation, expropriation and any other form of interference, whether by executive, administrative, judicial or legislative action.’
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...criticism.html

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    • #17
      Hillary Clinton resign? Not unless Obama wants a 2012 primary challenger. Furthermore, almost no one in the US likes the UN anyway, if you asked most Americans they'd probably be cheering her on.
      If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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      • #18
        Besides everyone already knew the UN was a cesspool of spies anyways. Who gives?
        If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
        ){ :|:& };:

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        • #19
          Americans might not care but most Americans don't care what happens outside of their front door. It's generally a bad thing when you are caught spying on your allies.

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          • #20
            Actually, it's pretty standard practice to do so.
            If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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            • #21
              Originally posted by Riesstiu IV View Post
              Americans might not care but most Americans don't care what happens outside of their front door. It's generally a bad thing when you are caught spying on your allies.

              Indeed. Getting caught red handed throws "Plausibility deniability" out the window. Frightful embarrassment.

              You're spying on us but we never ever spy on you, our good friends.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Braindead View Post
                Indeed. Getting caught red handed throws "Plausibility deniability" out the window. Frightful embarrassment.

                You're spying on us but we never ever spy on you, our good friends.
                Precisely.
                "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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                • #23
                  Those naughty spies, whilst certainly embarrassing, do not seem as concerning as the publication of documents setting out the US position on various global concerns. More particularly what are America's particular goals, how much will they pay, what will they do? How far can you go, what can you do, without a humungous aircraft carrier appearing at your front door?

                  Extreme example, if planning to invade another country, will the USA go batsh*t, seems an important consideration. (Saddam invade Kuwait > First Gulf War).

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by EPW View Post
                    Wikileaks.
                    fixed.
                    "The Christian way has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found to be hard and left untried" - GK Chesterton.

                    "The most obvious predicition about the future is that it will be mostly like the past" - Alain de Botton

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                    • #25
                      I expected it to be worse for US then it turned out so far, but there are more documents to come
                      Socrates: "Good is That at which all things aim, If one knows what the good is, one will always do what is good." Brian: "Romanes eunt domus"
                      GW 2013: "and juistin bieber is gay with me and we have 10 kids we live in u.s.a in the white house with obama"

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
                        Actually, it's pretty standard practice to do so.
                        Yes. It's pretty standard practice for the US to act like the world's double standards douchebag doing what it pleases while beating down and bullying all other countries around it - including 'allies'!

                        Everyone knows what US policy is like, but it's nice to see it exposed for the cluster**** it actually is for a change!

                        Is it any wonder the rest of the world either hates the US or has no respect whatsoever for the country?
                        Is it me, or is MOBIUS a horrible person?

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                        • #27
                          I think it fair to say that the attitude towards the USA in my country (Australia) is actually rather positive.
                          (Of course that is a generalisation).

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by MOBIUS View Post
                            Yes. It's pretty standard practice for the US to act like the world's double standards douchebag doing what it pleases while beating down and bullying all other countries around it - including 'allies'!

                            Everyone knows what US policy is like, but it's nice to see it exposed for the cluster**** it actually is for a change!

                            Is it any wonder the rest of the world either hates the US or has no respect whatsoever for the country?
                            But it may be this way because Europeans want it... if you think a bit deeper about the whole setup you end up with Euros who have enslaved the whole world to work for them, just in a more elaborate way then during imperial times... right now the world works for us while we benefit from lower costs, new tech while our salaries/standard of living is protected.

                            Chinese produce stuff for very little
                            India provides service for next to nothing
                            US invents stuff for us and acts as double crossing douchebags they have on top for the benefit of Europeans... the "special relationship" may be - Americans do the dirty work, keep the army, fund it by the trillion from their taxpayers, go to war while we reap the benefits, even oil contracts afterwards... it is as we have cheaply outsourced 90% of the hard stuff to them, with full guarantee that they will protect us. No wander people like drinax are pissed off. Next thing we will find out from the leaks that from 1bn spent for presidential elections Euros funded 90% of it .

                            To round it off we have the benefit of it all while largely working 40 hrs a week, have 4-5 weeks holidays, have excellent healthcare, great protection if unemployed, can buy whatever consumer products we want, don't live in cheap but overpriced wooden houses like Americans do and really reap the benefits from the whole system... never thought about it this way, but the only other three countries who have is almost as good as Europeans are Canada, Australia and New Zeland - you guessed it, all members of the commomwealth... I guess it pays to keep the Queen quite well, and yes the owner of Fox news is an Australian
                            Socrates: "Good is That at which all things aim, If one knows what the good is, one will always do what is good." Brian: "Romanes eunt domus"
                            GW 2013: "and juistin bieber is gay with me and we have 10 kids we live in u.s.a in the white house with obama"

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by OneFootInTheGrave View Post
                              and yes the owner of Fox news is an Australian
                              Ouch. Please don't say such things.
                              He is now an American citizen and they can keep him.
                              He is not ours, he is theirs.

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                              • #30
                                A spy, disinformation manager and supreme infiltrator
                                Socrates: "Good is That at which all things aim, If one knows what the good is, one will always do what is good." Brian: "Romanes eunt domus"
                                GW 2013: "and juistin bieber is gay with me and we have 10 kids we live in u.s.a in the white house with obama"

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