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  • I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
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    • Originally posted by Asher View Post
      Iran can vow all it wants, we all know nothing will happen. It's all just political posturing.
      If Canada's PM declared that the U.S. needed to be annihilated, there would be serious political repercussions. Nobody would dismiss it as "political posturing." Especially if Canada were attempting to develop nuclear weapons at the time it was saying that. And if Mexico, Cuba, and various Caribbean islands had been chucking missiles and suicide bombers haphazardly at us for decades. Plus all of them had invaded within living memory. And if all Latinos in the U.S. were kept inside gigantic concrete cages to prevent them from blowing up our buses, which they do every time they get a chance because they're sick of being stuck inside concrete cages and crap like that.
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      • DinoDoc, you're an idiot.

        Send a World's Smallest Violin to the Israeli people who ***** and moan about everybody in the world being against them. How about that?
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        • Originally posted by Elok View Post
          If Canada's PM declared that the U.S. needed to be annihilated, there would be serious political repercussions. Nobody would dismiss it as "political posturing." Especially if Canada were attempting to develop nuclear weapons at the time it was saying that. And if Mexico, Cuba, and various Caribbean islands had been chucking missiles and suicide bombers haphazardly at us for decades. Plus all of them had invaded within living memory. And if all Latinos in the U.S. were kept inside gigantic concrete cages to prevent them from blowing up our buses, which they do every time they get a chance because they're sick of being stuck inside concrete cages and crap like that.

          So like how Israel had occupied Lebanon for 20 years then went a short 6 years before occupying it again in 2006... has repeatedly bombed and shelled Lebanese cities...

          This is no taking out an evil dictator who may or may not have had WMD's and bringing an attempt at democracy and better lives for a people. This is straight let's **** with Lebanon **** and spit in the faces of the rest of the world, including the US, that says hold up wait a minute, Israel.
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          "I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben Kenobi

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          • Originally posted by Elok View Post
            If Canada's PM declared that the U.S. needed to be annihilated, there would be serious political repercussions. Nobody would dismiss it as "political posturing."
            You would have to be remarkably stupid to take such a threat seriously. Even if Canada was developing nukes.

            Nuking the US would destroy or severely damage Canada as well.
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            • I'm not a booster for Israel, Al. I believe the whole situation over there is ****ed to the eyeballs, and I don't have a particular side. I omitted Israel's retaliations from that painful, stilted analogy only because they were not immediately relevant.
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              • Pictures of Beirut in 2006 when a democratic, religiously pluralistic nation was brazenly attacked by the forces of Israel for the uptenth time.










                Yes, war sucks in general and the US has recently been in controversial wars where innocent people have died but the difference is we took on ****ed up regimes that gassed and oppressed their own people. Even if Iraq and Afghanistan do not get better, America still had all the best intentions in the world to help people. Israel had no such intentions. Just went in to **** with a DEMOCRATIC NATION who never showed any hostility to Israel and has NO MILITARY TO SPEAK OF.
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                "I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben Kenobi

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                • Originally posted by Asher View Post
                  You would have to be remarkably stupid to take such a threat seriously. Even if Canada was developing nukes.

                  Nuking the US would destroy or severely damage Canada as well.
                  And launching poorly-aimed missiles into Israel (or providing havens for terrorists, etc) has killed relatively few Israelis, failed to budge Israel, and resulted in repeated, devastating reprisals. Yet for some reason, they keep doing it. Israel's been in a state of war for decades, and even the pitiful shadow of a war the US is engaged in at present has made us pretty crazy. Israel is naturally much more paranoid.
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                  • SELF DEFENSE
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                    • Originally posted by Elok View Post
                      And launching poorly-aimed missiles into Israel (or providing havens for terrorists, etc) has killed relatively few Israelis, failed to budge Israel, and resulted in repeated, devastating reprisals. Yet for some reason, they keep doing it.
                      Yes, why does Israel keep attacking if it does nothing? All they're doing is slaughtering people who very well may be innocent, and it's not deterring anything. All it's doing is hardening the populace and instilling further hatred of Israel.

                      As I said, Israel is full of dumbasses.
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                      • Originally posted by Al B. Sure! View Post
                        Pictures of Beirut in 2006 when a democratic, religiously pluralistic nation was brazenly attacked by the forces of Israel for the uptenth time.
                        Yes, we remember events from four years ago, thank you. We also remember--or, at least, I remember--when that country was effectively controlled by an organization that repeatedly attacked Israel. Nobody's innocent here.

                        Also, our own country has been doing similar things to Afghanistan for the past ten years, for similar reasons.
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                        • Originally posted by Asher View Post
                          Yes, why does Israel keep attacking if it does nothing? All they're doing is slaughtering people who very well may be innocent, and it's not deterring anything. All it's doing is hardening the populace and instilling further hatred of Israel.

                          As I said, Israel is full of dumbasses.
                          Because doing nothing will result in the attacks continuing indefinitely, which Israel is understandably not willing to tolerate. They are in, essentially, a no-win situation.
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                          • I can't decide who I dislike more: the Israelis who bomb Lebanon or the members of Hezbollah who intentionally provoke it. How do members of Hezbollah manage to not get persecuted by the Lebanese people?

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                            • Originally posted by Elok View Post
                              Because doing nothing will result in the attacks continuing indefinitely, which Israel is understandably not willing to tolerate.
                              Isn't the whole point that they are doing nothing regardless?

                              They're not in a no-win situation, they're in a no-instant-win situation and they lack the foresight to see all they're doing is making their own situation worse, causing future generations of their neighboring country to renew the hate.

                              Do you think if Israel didn't come off as a militant, civilian-slaughtering country, their neighbours may hate them less?
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                              • Yeah, try to sell the whole stupid country on Satyagraha at the polls, that'll work. Bombing the piss out of Lebanon earns them a temporary reprieve, if nothing else.
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