The United Commonwealth of America

[Ben Kenobi]

No merging stuff.

Maritimes combined are only about 2 and a third million people. This is less than Connecticut.

[giblets]

Maritimes combined are only about 2 and a third million people. This is less than Connecticut.

Irrelevant. Unless they want to merge they don't merge.

[Ben Kenobi]

Why is it irrelevant? NYE seems to want US states to merge, when the average state is much larger in population than the average province.

They should merge. 5 states is more than enough for all of Canada.

[giblets]

Why is it irrelevant? NYE seems to want US states to merge, when the average state is much larger in population than the average province.

They should merge. 5 states is more than enough for all of Canada.

If you want to fantasize about joining the US you should respect the U.S. constitution. There is no population requirement for states and the head of state is elected by the electoral college every four years.

[Ben Kenobi]

There is a population requirement for states, the congress set it at 60 thousand people.

PEI is currently at 140k.

Wyoming is 5x the size and is currently the smallest.

This is why neither of the territories would make it as states, nor should PEI. You could argue for 3, but not 4 states, 9 states from 10 provinces.

[giblets]

There is a population requirement for states, the congress set it at 60 thousand people.

That's more of a guideline/suggestion, for example Nevada had less than 60 thousand people when it was admitted. And I should add that all of the provinces meet that requirement.

PEI is currently at 140k.

Which is much more than 60 thousand.

Wyoming is 5x the size and is currently the smallest.

This is why neither of the territories would make it as states, nor should PEI. You could argue for 3, but not 4 states, 9 states from 10 provinces.

10 states from 10 provinces would be fine.

[Ben Kenobi]

6 vs 30 senators in the Canadian system.

2 vs 8 senators under your system.

Amazingly, even the US system is fairer than the Canadian senate.

That's more of a guideline/suggestion, for example Nevada had less than 60 thousand people when it was admitted. And I should add that all of the provinces meet that requirement.

It was entirely unconstitutional. Why am I not surprised to see Lincoln pulling that garbage just before an election? Admitting a state during the civil war to help him win?

2 senators for 2.5 million people is the fairest way to do it.

[Al B. Sure!]

The Canadian provinces should merge, gribbler. Otherwise, Canadians would have far too much representation per population in the Senate. Look at early 19th century history to see why this is relevant.

[giblets]

It was entirely unconstitutional. Why am I not surprised to see Lincoln pulling that garbage just before an election? Admitting a state during the civil war to help him win?

2 senators for 2.5 million people is the fairest way to do it.

Senators represent states, not people. It doesn't matter if some states have more people than others. California isn't going to be split into multiple states and Rhode Island isn't going to be merged with Connecticut.

[Dauphin]

Anyone else see what is wrong with this sentence?

You mean that the US Constitution is 18th Century, with the exception of about 10 to 15 amendments, as is the French Revolution?

[Ben Kenobi]

Gribbler, it is relevant with the senate representation.

Lemme chart out the different options.

[Al B. Sure!]

You mean that the US Constitution is 18th Century, with the exception of about 10 to 15 amendments, as is the French Revolution?

Communism is 19th century so I guess that's better... no wait, even better! Fascism is 20th century so that automatically makes it the best form of government!


gribbler:
Population has always been important with regards to senate representation. It's why slavery wasn't abolished peacefully through the legislative branch despite the fact that most of the population was Northerners. Southerners had disproportionate representation in the Senate relative to the North. In your plan, Canadians would be over-represented in the Senate.

(of course, even today, Wyoming residents are over-represented in the Senate relative to California residents)

[Frozzy]

Pack it in NYE, even one of your own (not named Ben) is with us. Monarchy is so 18th Century. Get with the times.

Along with habeas corpus, apparently.

[Wezil]

Oh ****. There goes another thread.

[Dauphin]

Communism is 19th century so I guess that's better... no wait, even better! Fascism is 20th century so that automatically makes it the best form of government!

Democracy is so BCE.