What does modern Israel have in common with 1950's Alabama?

[Kuciwalker]

I'm a practical man. Only an omnipotent being could know with absolute certainty who violates what law and when. We use the court system, here on Earth, to determine who is or is not guilty.

And this is the system you decided to call black and white, after claiming that I'm unable to see nuance?

[KrazyHorse]

This argument bores me. Fight to the death, instead.

[Al B. Sure!]

HC:

Do you think Islam is opposed to democracy and freedom or just a particular interpretation of Islam espoused by radical Islamists?

[Asher]

And this is the system you decided to call black and white, after claiming that I'm unable to see nuance?

You're trying so valiantly to redeem yourself here you keep grabbing the conversation and dragging it behind dark alleys...

The fact that I can observe that society determines if a law has been broken or not via a guilty/not guilty verdict in a trial does not mean I'm incapable of seeing nuance.

Nuance is what gets discussed in the trial, then a judgement is made. The judgement is how our society views if a law has been violated.

In that sense, law violations are binary. You can only be convicted of breaking a law through the binary guilty/not guilty system.

I feel we've become lost here as I have to explain to you societal fundamentals -- perhaps you could recap your big, overarching point here...

[Dinner]

*slowly backs out of thread*

Most people did that a page back. Hell, even making outrageous comments about Jews and homosexuals didn't distract them.

[Kuciwalker]

The fact that I can observe that society determines if a law has been broken or not via a guilty/not guilty verdict in a trial does not mean I'm incapable of seeing nuance.

Nuance is what gets discussed in the trial, then a judgement is made. The judgement is how our society views if a law has been violated.

In that sense, law violations are binary. You can only be convicted of breaking a law through the binary guilty/not guilty system.

So when you said this:

'You're being superficial again. Yes, on the law point I think laws should be adhered to on principle -- especially when you're dealing with foreign relations. Violating a law, unfortunately, IS binary. You either do or you don't.'

You were really just trying to explain that juries always end up returning a verdict of guilty or not guilty? Really? Why would you think that's remotely relevant? Because the far more obvious interpretation of your post is that our actions themselves are always either consistent or inconsistent with the law, and it is wrong to do actions that are inconsistent.

I feel we've become lost here as I have to explain to you societal fundamentals -- perhaps you could recap your big, overarching point here...

We became "lost" because you abandoned your other points to try to defend a truly indefensible tangent because you are incapable of admitting error.

That last trait is pretty horrible when combined with your massive ignorance of the real world.

[Asher]

I've tried to soldier on in this argument but this is just too painful for me.

I've not abandoned any of my points. Israel should not have boarded the ship in international waters, Israel should not have boarded at night. The method they boarded incited a panic and contributed to the disaster.

All of my points remain and are still valid. Unfortunately for you, all of your points combine into one simple subjective belief that violating laws is a-okay as long as the person/country violating does not perceive there to be a negative consequence to doing so.

It's pathetic, and I can argue about this no more. If you want to talk about my points, you gotta do something other than cite your opinion that violating laws is fine and dandy so long as you think hurts no one.

Nevermind that the time & place the ship was boarded did change things. If they'd waited til daylight in Israeli waters, guarantee you it'd have ended differently.

[notyoueither]

Most people did that a page back. Hell, even making outrageous comments about Jews and homosexuals didn't distract them.

You're gay and converted to Judaism?

Congratulations!

[Al B. Sure!]

Why do we now have two threads where Asher and Kuci go back and forth about some nonsense vaguely related to Israel's boarding of that ship?

[Asher]

Why do we now have two threads where Asher and Kuci go back and forth about some nonsense vaguely related to Israel's boarding of that ship?

Don't worry, I'm done. Remind me never to try to debate rationally with somebody who CHOSE to be an actuary and has the personality and charisma of a corpse.

[Dinner]

Why do we now have two threads where Asher and Kuci go back and forth about some nonsense vaguely related to Israel's boarding of that ship?

They're flirting.

[Asher]

gag

I don't date Jews
I don't date Catholics

(troll for HC)

Seriously though...

[Al B. Sure!]

actuaries


Actually, in all seriousness, is it just me or does Kuci want to turn everything into measurable variables for regression analysis or something?

[Asher]

It's just how his brain works.

[Al B. Sure!]

That's a pretty limited brain then.

Dear God... can you imagine him in a Philosophy class in college?!