What does modern Israel have in common with 1950's Alabama?

[Hauldren Collider]

Yes, you are so fiercely independent that you blindly tie yourself to Israel.


I very well understand why, I'm simply of the opinion that it doesn't matter.

Americans put their nose in other people's business and disobey international law and consensus regularly. As a result, people hijack your airliners and fly them into your office towers.

One day, America will realize it's not in their best interest to spend trillions of dollars pissing the rest of the world off.

Israel's a valuable ally, but where do you get the idea that it's them giving us orders? I think you'll find, furthermore, that terrorists hate us not because we meddle but because they find democracy and freedom an affront to their religion.

[Kuciwalker]

also, it's not just people in europe who are outraged over israel's actions. it's a worldwide thing. this is happening tomorrow. it's in portuguese but basically the social movements of rio de janeiro are having a big demostration against the politics of violence promoted by the israeli state and to show solidarity with the oppressed people of the gaza strip.

Maybe you missed the original discussion, but my position is that the killings [and, possible, the blockade] are horrible, but would have been just as horrible had Israel stopped the ship in its own waters.

[OzzyKP]

Israel's a valuable ally, but where do you get the idea that it's them giving us orders? I think you'll find, furthermore, that terrorists hate us not because we meddle but because they find democracy and freedom an affront to their religion.

Israel is a valuable ally.

But "hate us for our freedom" is BS.

[Asher]

You're being superficial again. Yes, on the law point I think laws should be adhered to on principle -- especially when you're dealing with foreign relations. Violating a law, unfortunately, IS binary. You either do or you don't.

So you're massively ignorant of law, too, and don't realize how open to interpretation it is.

It's not surprising that you can't see shades of gray where they really exist.

At a trial, is it not GUILTY or NOT GUILTY?

I suppose there's also mistrials. I'm sure you'll bring that up.

Vigilante justice risks substantial negative consequences for society if permitted, so generally no

But you don't think there's any substantial risk to the condoning of the ignoring of territorial seas in terms of boarding neutral vessels?

I'm worried about the precedent. I think we should make it clear you are not to board and kill people on neutral ships in neutral waters.

But that's just my opinion. You can call me evil on that too, but don't pretend like you're "owning the debate".

[Al B. Sure!]

I think you'll find, furthermore, that terrorists hate us not because we meddle but because they find democracy and freedom an affront to their religion.

Elaborate a bit, please, HC.

[Asher]

Israel's a valuable ally, but where do you get the idea that it's them giving us orders?

Strawman

I think you'll find, furthermore, that terrorists hate us not because we meddle but because they find democracy and freedom an affront to their religion.

You're like a walking, talking book of Patriotic American Drivel.

[Hauldren Collider]

Israel is a valuable ally.

But "hate us for our freedom" is BS.

Perhaps I am misinformed but my understanding and recollection is that Islamists think that only the will of god should be law, and that the people have no place making the law.

America being the most visible and prominent example of such government, it is natural they select us as the target of their terrorism.

[Kuciwalker]

I'm actually pretty skeptical about the strategic value of our alliance with Israel.

[Al B. Sure!]

This thread is supposed to be about how Israeli Jews are opposed to miscegenation!

Really, no one else has anything to say on this? It's a pretty clear cut horrible thing... they even have lynch mobs!

[Hauldren Collider]

Strawman

Huh? how's that a strawman?

You're like a walking, talking book of Patriotic American Drivel.

No, it's true, they actually have a religious objection to democracy.

[Hauldren Collider]

I'm actually pretty skeptical about the strategic value of our alliance with Israel.

They keep arabs from getting nukes, along with other stuff but really I think that's enough of a justification.

[Asher]

Huh? how's that a strawman?

I never said you took orders from Israel.

Saying you are not independent doesn't mean you take orders from someone. A man who is married but still "wears the pants in the relationship" is not independent.

No, it's true, they actually have a religious objection to democracy.

[Hauldren Collider]

I never said you took orders from Israel.

Saying you are not independent doesn't mean you take orders from someone. A man who is married but still "wears the pants in the relationship" is not independent.

Uh, when I said fiercely independent, I was referring to not taking orders. So, I was in fact arguing against what I at the very least THOUGHT was your point.

[ColdWizard]

This thread is supposed to be about how Israeli Jews are opposed to miscegenation!

Really, no one else has anything to say on this? It's a pretty clear cut horrible thing... they even have lynch mobs!

And Islamic law is so much better?

[Asher]

They keep arabs from getting nukes, along with other stuff but really I think that's enough of a justification.

The fact that you treat this as a "vs Arabs" situation is part of the problem. Maybe you guys are just ****ing sheltered.

I've got many close friends who are Arabic, many are practicing muslims.

I don't see muslims as any more evil as Christians or Jews. I see religion, in general, as an evil force in the world but you don't see me leading groups trying to get nukes and weapons out of the hands of the warmongering Christians...