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It's also the main reason why catholic schools were able to handle larger class sizes and produced better students than the public schools in our area that were not allowed to use it.
What kind of sick personal rationalization could possibly lead to such a preposterous conclusion??
Ecofarm, you assume that physical punishment of any time is evil. Obviously you can't come to another conclusion, and can't convince anyone who doesn't share your assumption, so why do you continue this discussion?
JM
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GENERATION 35: The first time you see this, copy it into your sig on any forum and add 1 to the generation. Social experiment.
Physical punishment is wrong. It's stupid and wrong.
Hurting someone to protect others is ok, greater good and all that.
Hurting someone as a lesson... to teach them something... is retarded.
Why do I persist? Because someday (hopefully) people who disagree will learn - and they will remember, somewhere deep down in their concious, that Ecofarm was right.
How many times, out of a hundred, would you say that children are spanked because they were about to touch a hot stove or stick their fingers in a socket...
Most the time?
Once more, abuse is something very different. The situations it occurs in are different. The responses are different. And the results are different.
You seem to not be able to see this.
Someone who disciplines their child, including with physical means, has no causation with someone who abuses their child.
Abuse is things like cig burns on a 20 (or 3) month old baby and bruises/etc. Someone disciplining a 20 month old won't have any similarity in actions, effects, causes, or situations.
JM
Jon Miller- I AM.CANADIAN
GENERATION 35: The first time you see this, copy it into your sig on any forum and add 1 to the generation. Social experiment.
Spanking is child abuse, I don't care what your excuse may be.
People who hit their kids are fkn monkeys and we should all hope that those psychologically tramatized children don't reproduce and perpetuate this social violence upon those of us who have evolved.
What kind of sick personal rationalization could possibly lead to such a preposterous conclusion??
Years and years of data that showed in our area that of all the schools that fed into our high school that that catholic feeder students always outperformed the public feeder school students.
The NUNS used corporal punishment to enforce discipline. The public school teachers could not. The catholic class sizes were twice that of the public schools but they performed better. So either the catholic students were smarter to start with or had a better home enviornment. Or the method the nuns used were better. Since we were in an exclusive suburb, there were no minorities dragging down the public school averages and almost everyone came from two parent families so I think all the kids came from a similar pool.
The public schools also outspent the catholic schools 2 to 1 per student. They had fancy labs while we built all of our science project using milk cartons and straws. Yet we scored considerably higher on standardized science tests.
Class room discipline was the difference.
It's almost as if all his overconfident, absolutist assertions were spoonfed to him by a trusted website or subreddit. Sheeple
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Without taking sides, it seems to me like the same logic can apply to an abusive husband with views that the wife should be submissive to the husband (eg, Ben).
It's interesting that those that defend spanking of children would surely think it unacceptable to smack around their wives.
Sweden (and I presume other Euros) outlawed spanking years ago. They're right, we're wrong.
Hitting a helpless child is battery (in some states, assault is merely a perceived threat). This is simple: one does not solve things by hitting people - don't teach your kids that it does.
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Beating or killing or otherwise physically harming someone who is helpless (unable to fight back) and harmless (not going to hurt others in the future) is WRONG. End of fkn story.
violence is human nature, it is not perpetuated merely by negative reinforcement
abuse is just negative and has nothing to do with behavior modification, and is thus meaningless
psychological traumitization can occur in many ways other than just phsyical abuse
If someone is ignorant of right or wrong how do you teach them? If this same person is incapable of reason, how do you teach them? Granted, it is wrong and abuse if you physically reprimand someone who has no concept of why they are being punished.
However, when you start to arbitrarily define the lines where behavior modification should and shouldn't be employed you can call almost any form of punishment "abuse" (whether physical or psychological).
In today's society we have become soft, and instead of chosing to reprimand a child we give them a "syndrom" and a pill. Yeah, that's much better; medicate and forget.
In today's society we have become soft, and instead of chosing to reprimand a child we give them a "syndrom" and a pill. Yeah, that's much better; medicate and forget.
Or a parent could behave in such a manner that their kid respects them and not their slap.
And don't you guys give me this "if we outlaw hitting then we might outlaw all repercussions!" BS. There's a clear line between hitting and punishing, for those who have evolved.
Or a parent could behave in such a manner that their kid respects them and not their slap.
I think we view spanking as different things. One should never slap their child. Slapping, in my mind, relates to an instinctive response to a behavior; the kid p1ssed me off so "slap". In many of the homes of those of us who support spanking this type of 'punishment' is also viewed as abuse. Spanking is not something taken lightly nor is it something used in lieu of earning respect.
There's a big difference between what I consider a spanking and a belt whipping.
It's almost as if all his overconfident, absolutist assertions were spoonfed to him by a trusted website or subreddit. Sheeple
RIP Tony Bogey & Baron O
I respect your opinion even if i don't agree with it. I think of it as an attention getter when nothing else is working. When a child is in tantrum mode, acting in a way to earn their respect is just not possible. IT's past rational thought at that point.
When smart ass kids are showing off in class by misbehaving, sometimes a little humiliation at the hands of nuns will have a dramatic effect. While I'm not a big fan of using fear as a motivator, sometimes when nothing else works, it does.
It's almost as if all his overconfident, absolutist assertions were spoonfed to him by a trusted website or subreddit. Sheeple
RIP Tony Bogey & Baron O
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